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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 14:21:57 GMT -6
Perhaps, perhaps not. The fact that it can be spun so easily makes me think that the numbers aren't ridiculously high like we are told though. Percentage wise based upon population it may be that more blacks die to police, but numbers wise it appears to be more whites because whites make up more of the population and have likely have more day to day dealings with the police. Suppose it's all a bit moot, since we won't know for sure if whatever I post is true or bull, haha. I do think that blacks committing more violent crime/steals more is false and a myth though, again I have nothing to back it up. I did a police ride along back when I was in college and we never ended up pulling over anyone black, only whites, but that may not be a fair sample due to how many lived in the town I was in. It's pretty much whatever to me, because there are good people and bad people in every group; when it has come to blacks I've had the fortune of meeting only good people, so that's why I'm biased in regards to that. And maybe that's the whole point, I think for a lot of things, people see what they want to. I'm rambling, sorry, back on track: that'd be great and I'd love to see a reform for the courts while at it (though that's probably what you meant by Criminal Justice reforms). One thing I'd like to touch upon is police cams and a couple of reasons why they aren't wearing them at the moment (though they totally should be). The first reason is that the government is cheap and waits until something bites them in the ass to act and this is going to be another one of such cases. Secondly, Officers sometimes act in the heat of the moment because they're afraid, getting an adrenaline rush, or any other emotion related to danger/urgency, and the fear is that sometimes they find evidence, but don't always follow procedure to the letter, well, with police cams some of that evidence might get thrown out because they misacted in obtaining it (thus the need for court reform). Not necessarily doing anything bad, but just forgot a couple of steps or accidentally mishandled it. At the end of the day, most officers are all about just wanting to survive and go home, so some of them don't act 100% within the law in certain instances so as to do that. One example of that: The officer I did a ride along with told me how he once pulled a car over in the middle of a country road for a busted taillight. He goes up to the window and sees five people in the car, one lays a colored handkerchief across his lap (gang sign/communication), well, they were probably up to no good out in the middle of nowhere and shouldn't have been out there without a taillight, but the officer didn't want to push the issue and risk getting shot, because back up probably would have been ten to fifteen minutes away and he wanted to make it home at the end of the day, so he just said "Excuse me, sir. Your taillight is busted, might want to get it checked at in town. Have a nice day, kthanxbai!" What I'm trying to get across, but may be flubbing at is that law isn't always something that is 100% followed or pursued by police and for various reasons; in this case it was "I want to live" and I can't say I blame him or can fault him for it. I feel that's one thing folks often forget about police. Sometimes the high school bullies become police, sometimes the nerds, sometimes the regular joes, all walks of life wear that uniform and varying results are achieved. No, the stat that white people are killed more in totality is definitely spin. I mean yeah, it's true, but it's just used as a way to obfuscate the fact that blacks are killed at a 3.5x greater rate per capita. Which is not to say that white people being killed by the cops is OK either, and that's why Campaign Zero's goals are focused mainly on reducing police brutality across the board. But as brutality does have a disproportionate negative impact on the black community, so too would such reforms have a disproportionate positive impact on the black community. As for the violent crime, well, I've seen some seemingly credible stats that bear that out. Liberals tend to sugarcoat this point I think because they feel like it undermines them, but I think we need to be realistic about what the stats say and try to interpret them, starting from the obvious truth that it's not because any race is inherently more violent. If that stat exists, there must be cultural and institutional factors involved. The part that is most galling to me is the drug war which we had some Nixon aide admit was specifically to criminalize blacks and hippies and suppress the democratic vote, to hell with the consequences to society. But we still enforce this nonsense to this day. Though California has a referendum to legalize recreation weed and if that happens, it might make legalizing at least one drug nationwise inevitable. You said you live in a small town, right? Yeah, crime is probably a bit of a different beast there than in urban areas. That's one thing that's also hard to grapple with when we talk about gun crime, because when you look at gun ownership versus crime state by state, there doesn't seem to be a clear correlation-- some rural states have high ownership and much lower gun crime rates than California, Illinois, New York. But the numbers are also suspect because it says gun ownership in DC is way lower than I suspect it actually is, since I really don't think the kind of city-wise gun-ban they have is remotely effective. People can just leave the frickin city and get one, it's not like there are border checks. The gun issue may be getting off topic a bit, but the fact that the country is awash with guns actually is another reason why we should have some sympathy with cops in general. They don't want to get shot themselves, so sometimes they make flash judgments that turn out to be horribly wrong in hindsight. Police cams are certainly needed, but you're right that police aren't just some villains here.
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