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Colaman172 Pillar of the Community ムリダナ I have made 601 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 388 likes My gender is Male BSN Posts 731	Refugee crisis in Europe and the mess in Syria Sept 6, 2015 0:36:18 GMT -6 Vroom Vroom, Sentinel Arian, and 2 more like this Post by Colaman172 on Sept 6, 2015 0:36:18 GMT -6 Some fresh content: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-105630/Refugees-allowed-Italy-threat-drown-babies.html As much as I am for being a good person, some of the issue is the fact that certain areas of Europe are getting worse and worse as time goes on. The worst case that I can provide evidence from is from the Nordic countries. *Sweden:* "Forty years after the Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the formerly homogenous Sweden into a multicultural country, violent crime has increased by 300% and rapes by 1,472%. Sweden is now number two on the list of rape countries, surpassed only by Lesotho in Southern Africa." "In an astounding number of cases, the Swedish courts have demonstrated sympathy for the rapists, and have acquitted suspects who have claimed that the girl wanted to have sex with six, seven or eight men" My other issue with this is that they all aim specifically for the most economically strong areas of Europe. If we are looking at figures, Germany, France, and the United Kingdom are the most popular places at the moment for a migrant/refugee to go to. Sweden is only popular because of its policy of "if you can make it, you deserve citizenship". Germany is expected to take in another 800,000 refugees by the end of the year. As bigoted or racist as this sounds, I respect the idea of keeping the native population of countries in the majority. It has gotten to a point where Germany has to order other countries in the European Union to take them in with them being to scared of the economic backlash to do it. While, in the case with Austria, migrants/refugees have free reign to live there like they do in Germany. But, what ends up happening? Only about 200 out of 10,000 end up staying in Austria on their way to Germany. Rather than admit to making a mistake in the EU charter, Europe decides to take the high horse by saying how tolerant they are without having the means to take in so many people. There needs to be a limit. Another issue I have is that a very small minority of immigrants are heading for the prosperous countries of the Middle East such as Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Qatar. Lastly, I leave with this quote from a Tanzanian man whose family left him for Europe, "I do not believe in immigration. If all good people leave here (like they are now), what domestic progress will be made? People need to contribute to local society. That is why I don't support movements like this." I wanted to be funny and post all the memes relating to this topic, but I had to actually think a little more in-depth about this topic more than my usual rantings. Hell I don't even live in Europe and this topic scares me. Most times, if I even bring up that something needs to be done about this topic, I either get ignored or get called a racist.
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Vroom Vroom Banned for Spam I have made 2,419 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 1,845 likes BSN Posts 4,000	Refugee crisis in Europe and the mess in Syria Sept 6, 2015 2:13:20 GMT -6 Colaman172 and Sentinel Arian like this Post by Vroom Vroom on Sept 6, 2015 2:13:20 GMT -6 I've read up a little on the issue, but am not fully aware of the cause, so please correct me and excuse my ignorance. I'm guessing that some of it has to do with people trying to escape war ridden land or some such. It is my opinion (as with how I feel about illegals from Mexico) that instead of immigrating, they should stay and improve their own country, alone they can't make a difference, but together they could. I'd like to use Mexico and the United States Immigration problem as an example: In 2012 it was reported that their are likely 11.4 Million Illegals living in the United States, that means that 11.4 million Mexican Citizens felt that Mexico needs to change and had those 11.4 million got together they very well could have brought about such change. I'd say the same applies to the situation in Europe (which will become a world problem more likely than not), they should get together and try to improve their own countries rather than being quitters and going somewhere else. Because of what I have stated, I feel that they should be turned away and told to go back to their country, this may seem heartless, but it is not fair for the other countries and their citizens to have to shoulder the burden. Another reason not to let people in is the spreading of disease, a lot of these people have been travelling together in a cramped manner and therefore are likely in unhygienic shape due to not having the means to bathe or take proper care of themselves. A country should protect its citizens first and foremost. A final reason on why not to let them in is that if one country does it, then the other countries are going to be pressured into it (look at Germany) therefore it will not be done in the name of logic and what is right for the country, but rather in the name of being "politically correct". This is obviously something that can't be solved overnight or months, but will take years to solve. However, I feel that taking the migrants in en masse will be a costly move.
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Sentinel Arian Banned for Spam I have made 4,063 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 2,122 likes My gender is Male BSN Posts 17K+	Refugee crisis in Europe and the mess in Syria Sept 6, 2015 4:07:48 GMT -6 Post by Sentinel Arian on Sept 6, 2015 4:07:48 GMT -6 We can see these ships as other phenomenon. Like they're rapist pirate ships invading your country. So by putting some Destroyer in the seas and giving warnings, they may realize the danger and what they're doing. Then if they didn't listen and passed the borders the Destroyer ships may fire! I think the same thing happens in the land borders of serious countries all around the world. Why not you serious about this? Sept 6, 2015 0:36:18 GMT -6 Colaman172 said: Some fresh content: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-105630/Refugees-allowed-Italy-threat-drown-babies.html As much as I am for being a good person, some of the issue is the fact that certain areas of Europe are getting worse and worse as time goes on. The worst case that I can provide evidence from is from the Nordic countries. *Sweden:* "Forty years after the Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the formerly homogenous Sweden into a multicultural country, violent crime has increased by 300% and rapes by 1,472%. Sweden is now number two on the list of rape countries, surpassed only by Lesotho in Southern Africa." "In an astounding number of cases, the Swedish courts have demonstrated sympathy for the rapists, and have acquitted suspects who have claimed that the girl wanted to have sex with six, seven or eight men" My other issue with this is that they all aim specifically for the most economically strong areas of Europe. If we are looking at figures, Germany, France, and the United Kingdom are the most popular places at the moment for a migrant/refugee to go to. Sweden is only popular because of its policy of "if you can make it, you deserve citizenship". Germany is expected to take in another 800,000 refugees by the end of the year. As bigoted or racist as this sounds, I respect the idea of keeping the native population of countries in the majority. It has gotten to a point where Germany has to order other countries in the European Union to take them in with them being to scared of the economic backlash to do it. While, in the case with Austria, migrants/refugees have free reign to live there like they do in Germany. But, what ends up happening? Only about 200 out of 10,000 end up staying in Austria on their way to Germany. Rather than admit to making a mistake in the EU charter, Europe decides to take the high horse by saying how tolerant they are without having the means to take in so many people. There needs to be a limit. Another issue I have is that a very small minority of immigrants are heading for the prosperous countries of the Middle East such as Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Qatar. Lastly, I leave with this quote from a Tanzanian man whose family left him for Europe, "I do not believe in immigration. If all good people leave here (like they are now), what domestic progress will be made? People need to contribute to local society. That is why I don't support movements like this." I wanted to be funny and post all the memes relating to this topic, but I had to actually think a little more in-depth about this topic more than my usual rantings. Hell I don't even live in Europe and this topic scares me. Most times, if I even bring up that something needs to be done about this topic, I either get ignored or get called a racist. I think the higher rape rate in Sweden is because of higher number of refugees and immigrants, plus the country being too vast but having low population (low density). It means the rural areas and off-roads are quite dreadful places for women actually!
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Deleted I have made 0 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined January 1970	Refugee crisis in Europe and the mess in Syria Sept 6, 2015 5:51:21 GMT -6 Sentinel Arian and abraham like this Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 5:51:21 GMT -6 Sept 5, 2015 21:23:07 GMT -6 Ravensword said: Hey, OP, is this why you created this thread: SPOILER: Click to show snip People mostly only care about having containers full of noisy, brown people in their neighborhood. In Germany there's a welfare thingy called the Table, where grocery stores, restaurants and the like can donate (sub-quality) food for poor people. Fact is, long-time unemployed people need this source to get enough food. There's one of these food banks in every town. Now, the first welfare recipients already start complaining there's not enough food for the locals left because of the refugee influx. I do wonder what should become of additional 800.000 people here in Germany though. Refugees aren't allowed to work, only after 15 months, but even then, there's no work for these people.
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abraham Banned for Spam Hold The Door! I have made 1,141 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 646 likes My gender is Male	Refugee crisis in Europe and the mess in Syria Sept 6, 2015 6:49:12 GMT -6 Post by abraham on Sept 6, 2015 6:49:12 GMT -6 Sept 5, 2015 23:22:49 GMT -6 crusty said: On actions, sure. Give it some time though. When it comes to rhetoric at least, they're disturbingly similar. Just replace terms like white or male with Jew and diversity with purity. Many SJW rantings read like Neo-Nazi rantings when you change the words around a little. Anyways, I'll stop posting since I'm going offtopic. But the political horseshoe is most certainly real. Looks like someone has been following Sargon of Akkad on Youtube.
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abraham Banned for Spam Hold The Door! I have made 1,141 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 646 likes My gender is Male	Refugee crisis in Europe and the mess in Syria Sept 6, 2015 6:53:24 GMT -6 Post by abraham on Sept 6, 2015 6:53:24 GMT -6 Sept 5, 2015 21:23:07 GMT -6 Ravensword said: Hey, OP, is this why you created this thread: SPOILER: Click to show Thousands of people die. No one seems to care. One child dies, people rush to Change.org.. Human nature is fascinating.
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Ravensword Banned for Spam I have made 1,974 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 1,211 likes My gender is Male	Refugee crisis in Europe and the mess in Syria Sept 6, 2015 8:54:36 GMT -6 via mobile Post by Ravensword on Sept 6, 2015 8:54:36 GMT -6 Sept 6, 2015 0:04:09 GMT -6 Sentinel Arian said: Sept 5, 2015 23:52:50 GMT -6 felipejiraya said: I can't say anything about Europe because altough I have french citzenship I don't live there. But Brazil is the country that has taken the biggest number of syrian refugees in the world and I think that's awesome. This country (like the other american countries) was built by immigrants, refugees and slaves so it would be utterly hypocritical if now we close our borders because of nationalist bullshit. You better hope their majority is Shia or Kurds and not Sunni. Otherwise, soon or in the next generation the majority of Syrian refugees in your county will have high potential to form/join the next thing after ISIS. Judging from your disdain of Sunnis and your fear that they'll join ISIS, you're from Iran, am I right? Sept 6, 2015 5:51:21 GMT -6 @rapunzel said: Sept 5, 2015 21:23:07 GMT -6 Ravensword said: Hey, OP, is this why you created this thread: SPOILER: Click to show snip People mostly only care about having containers full of noisy, brown people in their neighborhood. In Germany there's a welfare thingy called the Table, where grocery stores, restaurants and the like can donate (sub-quality) food for poor people. Fact is, long-time unemployed people need this source to get enough food. There's one of these food banks in every town. Now, the first welfare recipients already start complaining there's not enough food for the locals left because of the refugee influx. I do wonder what should become of additional 800.000 people here in Germany though. Refugees aren't allowed to work, only after 15 months, but even then, there's no work for these people. One word: Lebensraum. Seriously, just put them to work harvesting crops. Watch as the price of produce plummets. Then you'll have more goods for the Table. Undocumented immigrants do all the shitty jobs that the rest of the population won't do or do half-assedly. Sept 6, 2015 6:53:24 GMT -6 abraham said: Sept 5, 2015 21:23:07 GMT -6 Ravensword said: Hey, OP, is this why you created this thread: SPOILER: Click to show Thousands of people die. No one seems to care. One child dies, people rush to Change.org.. Human nature is fascinating. That boy's brother and mother also drowned, not to mention the countless others that have drowned making the trip across the Mediterranean Sea. It was his body that was washed ashore.
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Sentinel Arian Banned for Spam I have made 4,063 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 2,122 likes My gender is Male BSN Posts 17K+	Refugee crisis in Europe and the mess in Syria Sept 6, 2015 9:25:50 GMT -6 Post by Sentinel Arian on Sept 6, 2015 9:25:50 GMT -6 Sept 6, 2015 8:54:36 GMT -6 Ravensword said: Sept 6, 2015 0:04:09 GMT -6 Sentinel Arian said: You better hope their majority is Shia or Kurds and not Sunni. Otherwise, soon or in the next generation the majority of Syrian refugees in your county will have high potential to form/join the next thing after ISIS. Judging from your disdain of Sunnis and your fear that they'll join ISIS, you're from Iran, am I right? Yeah, right. But as a historian I said that. Considering Kurds are much better people in the Middle East and Shia are just kinda nationalistic-defensive, not plain aggressive, reactionary and brute like the Sunni (Hanbali, Hanafi, Salafi). Indeed Most of Maliki and Shafi'i Sunni are good people.
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Sentinel Arian Banned for Spam I have made 4,063 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 2,122 likes My gender is Male BSN Posts 17K+	Refugee crisis in Europe and the mess in Syria Sept 6, 2015 14:02:19 GMT -6 Post by Sentinel Arian on Sept 6, 2015 14:02:19 GMT -6 Note: I learned this morality from NWN. Lawful Neutral master alignment!
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abraham Banned for Spam Hold The Door! I have made 1,141 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 646 likes My gender is Male	Refugee crisis in Europe and the mess in Syria Sept 6, 2015 14:08:08 GMT -6 Post by abraham on Sept 6, 2015 14:08:08 GMT -6 Sept 6, 2015 8:54:36 GMT -6 Ravensword said: That boy's brother and mother also drowned, not to mention the countless others that have drowned making the trip across the Mediterranean Sea. It was his body that was washed ashore. My point might have been misunderstood. Thousands of people have tragically lost their lives making the crossing. This is horrific proportion of fatalities. (One is horrific enough). The point about human nature that I was trying to take is that numbers is meaningless. Tell someone that thousands of people died and it means nothing. Tell someone about an individual who died and they start to care. They can identify with that. I hope this has clarified what I was trying to say.
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Colaman172 Pillar of the Community ムリダナ I have made 601 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 388 likes My gender is Male BSN Posts 731	Refugee crisis in Europe and the mess in Syria Sept 6, 2015 14:46:33 GMT -6 Vroom Vroom likes this Post by Colaman172 on Sept 6, 2015 14:46:33 GMT -6 Sept 6, 2015 14:08:08 GMT -6 abraham said: Sept 6, 2015 8:54:36 GMT -6 Ravensword said: That boy's brother and mother also drowned, not to mention the countless others that have drowned making the trip across the Mediterranean Sea. It was his body that was washed ashore. My point might have been misunderstood. Thousands of people have tragically lost their lives making the crossing. This is horrific proportion of fatalities. (One is horrific enough). The point about human nature that I was trying to take is that numbers is meaningless. Tell someone that thousands of people died and it means nothing. Tell someone about an individual who died and they start to care. They can identify with that. I hope this has clarified what I was trying to say. As sad as this is to say, I'm starting to care less and less about the people dying trying to get to Europe. They knew the risks, they took them, they sometimes get to Europe, and then complain about the conditions. Event though they have a higher standard of living in Europe, most complain that they aren't getting what they deserve. Also the European propaganda trying to put a positive spin on things is astounding. There is a famous picture going viral right now about a man, a woman, and a baby on Hungarian train tracks. The BBC and several other news outlets covering the story say that they were pushed onto the tracks by the police in a small scuffle. Video released before the news story was even published shows that the man grabbed the woman and jumped onto the tracks. News outlets are calling almost anyone who opposes immigration a Nazi. And, people are becoming so sick of this that they are actually bringing back the Nazi movement in larger numbers. While they, like me, want to see these people helped, they also don't want to have their country ruined by people who refuse to assimilate into their society and create fringe cities that look closer to Africa than Europe. Politicians have admitted to it and are proud. Now for some images! SPOILER: Click to show
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Jorji Costava Senior Member I have made 297 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 487 likes My gender is Male	Refugee crisis in Europe and the mess in Syria Sept 6, 2015 15:08:25 GMT -6 Post by Jorji Costava on Sept 6, 2015 15:08:25 GMT -6 RE: Swedish rape statistics We may be jumping the gun here. Sweden has a different way of recording rape statistics than other nations; for instance, if a husband sexually assaults a spouse 20 times over the course of the year, Sweden will record this as 20 separate incidents while other nations may count it only as one. In a similar way, Australia and Canada are the kidnapping capitals of the world, because of the way they record their kidnapping statistics.
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Ravensword Banned for Spam I have made 1,974 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 1,211 likes My gender is Male	Refugee crisis in Europe and the mess in Syria Sept 6, 2015 15:09:38 GMT -6 via mobile abraham likes this Post by Ravensword on Sept 6, 2015 15:09:38 GMT -6 Sept 6, 2015 9:25:50 GMT -6 Sentinel Arian said: Sept 6, 2015 8:54:36 GMT -6 Ravensword said: Judging from your disdain of Sunnis and your fear that they'll join ISIS, you're from Iran, am I right? Yeah, right. But as a historian I said that. Considering Kurds are much better people in the Middle East and Shia are just kinda nationalistic-defensive, not plain aggressive, reactionary and brute like the Sunni (Hanbali, Hanafi, Salafi). Indeed Most of Maliki and Shafi'i Sunni are good people. All those people you mentioned are being murdered by ISIS. Unlike what certain American presidential candidates may think, Iran is no friend of ISIS. Quite the contrary. Iran is a majority Shiite Muslim country; probably the only Shiite Islamic republic in the world. I wasn't aware of these other Sunni groups, w/ the exception of Sufism. Sept 6, 2015 14:08:08 GMT -6 abraham said: Sept 6, 2015 8:54:36 GMT -6 Ravensword said: That boy's brother and mother also drowned, not to mention the countless others that have drowned making the trip across the Mediterranean Sea. It was his body that was washed ashore. My point might have been misunderstood. Thousands of people have tragically lost their lives making the crossing. This is horrific proportion of fatalities. (One is horrific enough). The point about human nature that I was trying to take is that numbers is meaningless. Tell someone that thousands of people died and it means nothing. Tell someone about an individual who died and they start to care. They can identify with that. I hope this has clarified what I was trying to say. Haven't you heard the saying "a picture is worth a thousand words"? A picture of a toddler washed ashore, lying face down in the sand, is much more visceral than just numbers.
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Sentinel Arian Banned for Spam I have made 4,063 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 2,122 likes My gender is Male BSN Posts 17K+	Refugee crisis in Europe and the mess in Syria Sept 6, 2015 15:33:28 GMT -6 Ravensword likes this Post by Sentinel Arian on Sept 6, 2015 15:33:28 GMT -6 @raven, They're actually the branches of Sunni. Hanafis are the typical Muslims. Yep, Kurds are fine, because they're Shafi'i. Wahabbi and Salafi are the (sub-)branches of Hanbali. They're the strictest and quite anti-philosophy of any kind.
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Ravensword Banned for Spam I have made 1,974 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 1,211 likes My gender is Male	Refugee crisis in Europe and the mess in Syria Sept 6, 2015 22:35:34 GMT -6 Post by Ravensword on Sept 6, 2015 22:35:34 GMT -6 Sept 6, 2015 15:33:28 GMT -6 Sentinel Arian said: @raven, They're actually the branches of Sunni. img snip Hanafis are the typical Muslims. Yep, Kurds are fine, because they're Shafi'i. Wahabbi and Salafi are the (sub-)branches of Hanbali. They're the strictest and quite anti-philosophy of any kind. Thanks for the info. I found it interesting.
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Deleted I have made 0 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined January 1970	Refugee crisis in Europe and the mess in Syria Sept 7, 2015 0:49:30 GMT -6 Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 0:49:30 GMT -6 Put them to work harvesting crops? They'd take the jobs of people from those countries who don't wanna take in refugees now. Lol.
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Ravensword Banned for Spam I have made 1,974 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 1,211 likes My gender is Male	Refugee crisis in Europe and the mess in Syria Sept 7, 2015 0:58:01 GMT -6 Post by Ravensword on Sept 7, 2015 0:58:01 GMT -6 Sept 7, 2015 0:49:30 GMT -6 @rapunzel said: Put them to work harvesting crops? They'd take the jobs of people from those countries who don't wanna take in refugees now. Lol. Undocumented immigrants do that work in America. It turns out that white people aren't too keen when it comes to picking crops in the field.
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Deleted I have made 0 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined January 1970	Refugee crisis in Europe and the mess in Syria Sept 7, 2015 1:12:30 GMT -6 Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 1:12:30 GMT -6 Sept 7, 2015 0:58:01 GMT -6 Ravensword said: Sept 7, 2015 0:49:30 GMT -6 @rapunzel said: Put them to work harvesting crops? They'd take the jobs of people from those countries who don't wanna take in refugees now. Lol. Undocumented immigrants do that work in America. It turns out that white people aren't too keen when it comes to picking crops in the field. Oh, I know. I was being serious. In Germany this kind of work is mostly done by seasonal workers from Eastern Europe.
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Ravensword Banned for Spam I have made 1,974 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 1,211 likes My gender is Male	Refugee crisis in Europe and the mess in Syria Sept 7, 2015 1:27:31 GMT -6 Post by Ravensword on Sept 7, 2015 1:27:31 GMT -6 Sept 7, 2015 1:12:30 GMT -6 @rapunzel said: Sept 7, 2015 0:58:01 GMT -6 Ravensword said: Undocumented immigrants do that work in America. It turns out that white people aren't too keen when it comes to picking crops in the field. Oh, I know. I was being serious. In Germany this kind of work is mostly done by seasonal workers from Eastern Europe. Interesting. Itinerant workers from Eastern Europe.
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Deleted I have made 0 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined January 1970	Refugee crisis in Europe and the mess in Syria Sept 7, 2015 1:33:13 GMT -6 Ravensword likes this Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 1:33:13 GMT -6 Sept 7, 2015 1:27:31 GMT -6 Ravensword said: Sept 7, 2015 1:12:30 GMT -6 @rapunzel said: Oh, I know. I was being serious. In Germany this kind of work is mostly done by seasonal workers from Eastern Europe. Interesting. Itinerant workers from Eastern Europe. There are shades of white, you know. I had some other things in mind as well, but people might misunderstand my humor.
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