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Post by Lorn on Dec 6, 2015 8:36:20 GMT -6
I'm confused why this whole mistaken identity scenario comes up over and over in these debates, when we have dozens if not hundreds of cases on record where a citizen managed to either kill a shooter or hold them at gunpoint long enough for authorities to arrive, and there wasn't this weird fog of confusion people keep bringing up. People knew who the original shooter was, and they knew who the person stopping the shooter was. Body language, witness descriptions, and just what position people are in when the police arrive, all seem to be pretty clear. Everytime I hear a "whose the original shooter" argument I roll my eyes and think people have watched too much dark knight. Additionally, if you want to curb gun murder, you should focus on rehabilitation and reforms in prison, as well as a standard prosecution procedure for gangs. 76% of guns used in crime are stolen, 65% of all people shoot are former felons, with a spike to 75% being related to previous criminal activities. Most of the death toll in the US isn't lone psychos or terrorist. They're former criminals teaching young people to be criminals, starting originizations of criminals, and maintaining these orginizations and allegances in and out of prison from either choice or deceiving themselves to think they have no choice. You do this, focus on reform and rehabilitation, and I can guarantee you'll cut crime rates by half.Do they? Let's attempt a hypothetical analysis of such a situation. OS starts shooting into a crowd of people (bystanders). Said bystanders would react with confusion at first (with some possibly realizing what is happening at the start) which then switches to fear/panic as they try to figure out ways to survive. Perhaps one of the bystanders is able to start calling 911, and said bystander would likely not respond with "Help! Someone started shooting people at X! The shooter is wearing Y clothing, is using Z weapon, and appears to be of A race". Instead, the bystander would likely respond with "Help! Someone is killing people at X location" before returning to trying to stay alive. The 911 operators would scramble to send in any nearby police, as well as alerting all other units of the situation. When the police arrive (if the shooting is still taking place) the information they are most likely going to have is that there is one (or more) active shooters at the location. Now let's add a bystander shooter into this mix. Say a bystander just happened to have a concealed gun on his person, and instead of panicking like everyone else (which is unlikely, the flight/fight scenario does seem to have a sort of group think involved. Which of course sort of makes sense since if a group of people are running away from something it would probably increase your own survival by running as well) this lone bystander decides to attempt to save the day with his gun! This bystander then attempts to take careful aim (which is unlikely as there would still be people in full flight running into the line of fire, and also assuming our valiant bystander's brain still isn't in flight mode as well) before ideally taking out the shooter without any collateral damage (which is also unlikely). Returning to our fleeing bystanders, the 911 call would likely involve "There is a shooting at X location, and there were two gunmen". If they were lucky they will also be able to inform the dispatchers that the second gunman was trying to take out the OS, but that's likely going to be a detail that is left out. The police arrive on the scene (ideally after the OS has been dealt with), but then they're left with the question of who ended up shooting who? Has the OS actually been dealt with? Is the BS actually involved with the OS, was there a plan between them that allowed one to escape to continue shooting? If the BS wasn't able to take out the OS causing a minor gun battle what would be the police response? They would shoot both of them and ask questions later. Which of course would open the department up to any number of lawsuits from the BS family, which would be something the police would want to avoid. In an ideal scenario the only bystanders killed were done by the OS, but if the BS happened to cause any collateral damage what would be done to them? Would the BS be charged with murder? Would the BS face any civil suits from the families of those he may have wounded/killed? If there was going to be a bystander shooter, the only type of person I would trust to be able to actually handle the situation would be an individual that was in the military (ideally one from active duty for more experience in said situations) because if not I fear for the consequences of the random Joe that thinks he'll suddenly turn into Rambo in such a situation. As for prison reforms, I wholeheartedly agree. Sadly, I think I'm far too cynical to ever think that they'll ever occur. If only.
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