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Rawgrim Banned for Spam "There are several creatures approaching from the south-east" I have made 4,536 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 2,577 likes My gender is Male	HBO's Game of Thrones Jun 21, 2017 12:42:38 GMT -6 Post by Rawgrim on Jun 21, 2017 12:42:38 GMT -6 Making it its own thing is fine. But when it starts to contradict itself over and over again it is not a good thing. Take Dorne for example. We are told time and time again that you have to be a noble with a bloodline in order to have a claim to the throne. Dorne is part of the Seven Kingdoms and that law applies there too. Then a bastard whore kills the Prince of Dorne and just sits down and rules. None of the nobles in Dorne even bats an eyebrow at this. This also makes Dany nothing special, because now even a whore can rule. A woman on the throne being special is now mute. If they had included Arianne Martell from the books and let her take the throne down there it would have made a lot more sense. They also messed up the wights. In season 1 one of the rangers that got killed when Benjen died gets through the wall and attacks the Lord Commander. Jon saves him and gets the valyrian sword as a reward. Season 6....Benjen tells Bran he can't pass through the wall because it wards against the undead. The show showed us the complete opposite some seasons earlier. They also killed Bloodraven last season. Bloodraven = the lord of light. The main villain. This means both Jon and Melisandre should collapse and die, since the power that is keeping them alive is now gone. Burning swords should not be a thing anymore either.
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Rawgrim Banned for Spam "There are several creatures approaching from the south-east" I have made 4,536 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 2,577 likes My gender is Male	HBO's Game of Thrones Jun 21, 2017 12:44:53 GMT -6 Post by Rawgrim on Jun 21, 2017 12:44:53 GMT -6 Jun 21, 2017 12:40:25 GMT -6 @isichar said: Jun 21, 2017 12:30:26 GMT -6 Rah said: Once it became so clear where they had deviated and now when they're that far ahead it's just so clear where.. issues exists for the show. That said I'm still enjoying the show and is probably the only show I remember when it airs. It's become its own thing and that really is fine, just give me cool moments, some decent intrigue, FIRES and some gooooood visuals and I'm pretty content I'm probably still alive when we get more amazing dialogue in the books, maybe I'm the same way. It's different since it deviated, but it's still a great watch. Despite giving the last season shit it still had some of the best moments in the series (Hold the Door especially stood out) The moments that are good and entertaining far outweigh the negative aspects of it, for me at least. Show me a giant battle of Whitewalkers versus dragons and I'll have a great time. Hold the door is a gaping hole as well. The Children of the Forest lost a war vs the humans way back in time. Because they had no weapons. The specifically couldn't work metal. They were cavemen with no technology, but they had magic. So where the heck did they get that door Hodor had to hold?
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Deleted I have made 0 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined January 1970	HBO's Game of Thrones Jun 21, 2017 13:01:50 GMT -6 Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 13:01:50 GMT -6 Oh I hate show Dany with a passion too. Just cos she's boring. Much like most things in the show that aren't Tyrion.
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Deleted I have made 0 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined January 1970	HBO's Game of Thrones Jun 21, 2017 13:05:29 GMT -6 Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 13:05:29 GMT -6 They also messed up the wights. In season 1 one of the rangers that got killed when Benjen died gets through the wall and attacks the Lord Commander. Jon saves him and gets the valyrian sword as a reward. Season 6....Benjen tells Bran he can't pass through the wall because it wards against the undead. The show showed us the complete opposite some seasons earlier. Yeah this is easy to explain. They were brought in. Not the same as actually walking in. Magic can work in weird ways when it's not in a spellbook telling us the Wall protects against Evil for 1d6 per turn or whatever xD
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Deleted I have made 0 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined January 1970	HBO's Game of Thrones Jun 21, 2017 13:09:45 GMT -6 Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 13:09:45 GMT -6 I can't agree on the Boltons though. In no way shape or form can they be considered loyal. I mean did you see what Ramsay did in the last season? Roose was a capable leader (if not a scary one). Although he made an error in who he trusted. Ramsay was good at leading through fear, but he failed to listen to his father's wise advice "act like a wild animal and you'll be put down like a wild animal" Don't think Roose was all that capable either. Being shrewd in ousting the Starks via backstabbing =/= politically wise/capbale administrator. Northern politics, and being years surrounded by Northern politics, should have shown him that the Starks were the undisputed Lords of the North and no House (and no House does instead of the Karstarks and Freys???) will ever pledge allegiance to him. Not saying that the Starks were the smartest bunch in the lot, but Roose is going to get fucked so hard soon because he thought that an easy win was the best way possible. Speaking books wise btw. Show Roose had the same ideas but eh. Should have kept Ramsay either far away as possible from the important bits or just as close as possible with a few people to murder/keep him entertained. Now Baelish has the right idea in rallying behind Sansa. But of course, that'll bite him in the ass. Only cool dude was Kevan. Poor Kevan.
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Rawgrim Banned for Spam "There are several creatures approaching from the south-east" I have made 4,536 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 2,577 likes My gender is Male	HBO's Game of Thrones Jun 21, 2017 13:10:40 GMT -6 Post by Rawgrim on Jun 21, 2017 13:10:40 GMT -6 Jun 21, 2017 13:05:29 GMT -6 @simfam said: They also messed up the wights. In season 1 one of the rangers that got killed when Benjen died gets through the wall and attacks the Lord Commander. Jon saves him and gets the valyrian sword as a reward. Season 6....Benjen tells Bran he can't pass through the wall because it wards against the undead. The show showed us the complete opposite some seasons earlier. Yeah this is easy to explain. They were brought in. Not the same as actually walking in. Magic can work in weird ways when it's not in a spellbook telling us the Wall protects against Evil for 1d6 per turn or whatever xD The wall would cancel out the spell, really. But lets say you are right. They could have just dragged Benjen through the tunnel in the wall then. Problem solved. He has obviously tried to pass through the wall though. Since he has found out he can't pass through it. So I am guessing it is more of a force-field keeping him from passing. This could have been solved with a simple change of his line though. That White Walkers can't pass through. He has obsidian in him, after all. Same as the white walkers. So I am guessing he is half white-walker. Kind of odd that obsidian bit, actually. They get a chunk of it stabbed into their heart and they become "alive". Stab one in the shoulder with obsidian and they explode.
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Rawgrim Banned for Spam "There are several creatures approaching from the south-east" I have made 4,536 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 2,577 likes My gender is Male	HBO's Game of Thrones Jun 21, 2017 13:14:30 GMT -6 Post by Rawgrim on Jun 21, 2017 13:14:30 GMT -6 Jun 21, 2017 13:09:45 GMT -6 @simfam said: I can't agree on the Boltons though. In no way shape or form can they be considered loyal. I mean did you see what Ramsay did in the last season? Roose was a capable leader (if not a scary one). Although he made an error in who he trusted. Ramsay was good at leading through fear, but he failed to listen to his father's wise advice "act like a wild animal and you'll be put down like a wild animal" Don't think Roose was all that capable ever. Being shrewd in ousting the Starks via backstabbing =/= politically wise. Northern politics, and being years surrounded by Northern politics, should have shown him that the Starks were the undisputed Lords of the North and no House (and no House does) will ever pledge allegiance to him. Not saying that the Starks were the smartest bunch in the lot, but Roose is going to get fucked so hard soon because he thought that an easy win was the best way possible. Stannis will get him in the books. He has a massive army, Theon + his sister are with them, and Mance Rayder is doing his guerilla warfare inside Winterfell. There is also that subtle hint about the gargoyles GRRM likes to toss in. Whenever a city or castle falls in the books there is a comment beforehand that the gargoyles have been damaged. Gargoyles were said to protect castles back in the day. Damaged gargoyles hints of a poor defense. The books also compares Tyrion to a gargoyle now and again. King's Landing didn't fall when Tyrion defended it. The Winterfell gargoyles got a mention of being in a very poor state in book 5. Bad sign with Stannis outside the gates.
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Deleted I have made 0 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined January 1970	HBO's Game of Thrones Jun 21, 2017 13:15:56 GMT -6 Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 13:15:56 GMT -6 Jun 21, 2017 13:10:40 GMT -6 Rawgrim said: Jun 21, 2017 13:05:29 GMT -6 @simfam said: Yeah this is easy to explain. They were brought in. Not the same as actually walking in. Magic can work in weird ways when it's not in a spellbook telling us the Wall protects against Evil for 1d6 per turn or whatever xD The wall would cancel out the spell, really. But lets say you are right. They could have just dragged Benjen through the tunnel in the wall then. Problem solved. He has obviously tried to pass through the wall though. Since he has found out he can't pass through it. So I am guessing it is more of a force-field keeping him from passing. This could have been solved with a simple change of his line though. That White Walkers can't pass through. He has obsidian in him, after all. Same as the white walkers. So I am guessing he is half white-walker. Kind of odd that obsidian bit, actually. They get a chunk of it stabbed into their heart and they become "alive". Stab one in the shoulder with obsidian and they explode. I'll refer to my Btongue video for all this. But as for dragging him in? I mean, is it REALLY the same? The others hadn't even turned into Wights as well until after they were brought in.
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Deleted I have made 0 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined January 1970	HBO's Game of Thrones Jun 21, 2017 13:16:59 GMT -6 Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 13:16:59 GMT -6 Jun 21, 2017 13:14:30 GMT -6 Rawgrim said: Jun 21, 2017 13:09:45 GMT -6 @simfam said: Don't think Roose was all that capable ever. Being shrewd in ousting the Starks via backstabbing =/= politically wise. Northern politics, and being years surrounded by Northern politics, should have shown him that the Starks were the undisputed Lords of the North and no House (and no House does) will ever pledge allegiance to him. Not saying that the Starks were the smartest bunch in the lot, but Roose is going to get fucked so hard soon because he thought that an easy win was the best way possible. Stannis will get him in the books. He has a massive army, Theon + his sister are with them, and Mance Rayder is doing his guerilla warfare inside Winterfell. There is also that subtle hint about the gargoyles GRRM likes to toss in. Whenever a city or castle falls in the books there is a comment beforehand that the gargoyles have been damaged. Gargoyles were said to protect castles back in the day. Damaged gargoyles hints of a poor defense. The books also compares Tyrion to a gargoyle now and again. King's Landing didn't fall when Tyrion defended it. The Winterfell gargoyles got a mention of being in a very poor state in book 5. Bad sign with Stannis outside the gates. Stannis uses "stares grimly" Walls of Winterfell collapse!
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Rawgrim Banned for Spam "There are several creatures approaching from the south-east" I have made 4,536 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 2,577 likes My gender is Male	HBO's Game of Thrones Jun 21, 2017 13:21:42 GMT -6 Post by Rawgrim on Jun 21, 2017 13:21:42 GMT -6 Jun 21, 2017 13:15:56 GMT -6 @simfam said: Jun 21, 2017 13:10:40 GMT -6 Rawgrim said: The wall would cancel out the spell, really. But lets say you are right. They could have just dragged Benjen through the tunnel in the wall then. Problem solved. He has obviously tried to pass through the wall though. Since he has found out he can't pass through it. So I am guessing it is more of a force-field keeping him from passing. This could have been solved with a simple change of his line though. That White Walkers can't pass through. He has obsidian in him, after all. Same as the white walkers. So I am guessing he is half white-walker. Kind of odd that obsidian bit, actually. They get a chunk of it stabbed into their heart and they become "alive". Stab one in the shoulder with obsidian and they explode. I'll refer to my Btongue video for all this. But as for dragging him in? I mean, is it REALLY the same? The others hadn't even turned into Wights as well until after they were brought in. Yes they had been turned. Benjen says so. He felt himself getting turned just as the Children saved him. The others were being turned at the same time. It happens fast too, you see it happen to wildlings during the battle in season 5. The WWs raise the dead in seconds. Benjen and the rangers had been missing for weeks when the undead one returned.
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Rawgrim Banned for Spam "There are several creatures approaching from the south-east" I have made 4,536 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 2,577 likes My gender is Male	HBO's Game of Thrones Jun 21, 2017 13:24:20 GMT -6 Post by Rawgrim on Jun 21, 2017 13:24:20 GMT -6 Jun 21, 2017 13:16:59 GMT -6 @simfam said: Jun 21, 2017 13:14:30 GMT -6 Rawgrim said: Stannis will get him in the books. He has a massive army, Theon + his sister are with them, and Mance Rayder is doing his guerilla warfare inside Winterfell. There is also that subtle hint about the gargoyles GRRM likes to toss in. Whenever a city or castle falls in the books there is a comment beforehand that the gargoyles have been damaged. Gargoyles were said to protect castles back in the day. Damaged gargoyles hints of a poor defense. The books also compares Tyrion to a gargoyle now and again. King's Landing didn't fall when Tyrion defended it. The Winterfell gargoyles got a mention of being in a very poor state in book 5. Bad sign with Stannis outside the gates. Stannis uses "stares grimly" Walls of Winterfell collapse! I laughed a bit when I read that bit from the Theon chapter that got released last year. His men asks him to sacrifice people to the Lord of Light due to the cold. Stannis "Pray harder". He also made sure that his men are to do everything they can to put his daughter on the throne if he falls. Kind of a big change from "I just slaughtered 20k horses yesterday because my men were hungry. they are still hungry...burn the kid!" solution they had on the show.
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Deleted I have made 0 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined January 1970	HBO's Game of Thrones Jun 21, 2017 13:27:16 GMT -6 via mobile Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 13:27:16 GMT -6 Jun 21, 2017 12:42:38 GMT -6 Rawgrim said: Making it its own thing is fine. But when it starts to contradict itself over and over again it is not a good thing. Take Dorne for example. We are told time and time again that you have to be a noble with a bloodline in order to have a claim to the throne. Dorne is part of the Seven Kingdoms and that law applies there too. Then a bastard whore kills the Prince of Dorne and just sits down and rules. None of the nobles in Dorne even bats an eyebrow at this. This also makes Dany nothing special, because now even a whore can rule. A woman on the throne being special is now mute. If they had included Arianne Martell from the books and let her take the throne down there it would have made a lot more sense. They also messed up the wights. In season 1 one of the rangers that got killed when Benjen died gets through the wall and attacks the Lord Commander. Jon saves him and gets the valyrian sword as a reward. Season 6....Benjen tells Bran he can't pass through the wall because it wards against the undead. The show showed us the complete opposite some seasons earlier. They also killed Bloodraven last season. Bloodraven = the lord of light. The main villain. This means both Jon and Melisandre should collapse and die, since the power that is keeping them alive is now gone. Burning swords should not be a thing anymore either. Regarding the last bit I think it's one of those cases where you can't rely on the book lore since the show handled it differently. Wasn't the shows 3 eyed raven like 3 characters combined? Dorne was one of the weakest parts of the last season, I'll admit. I think it's just due to how little screen time it actually got. Like many parts in season 6 I think they were just rushing to get the pieces in play for this next season. Was it sloppy? Yeah, I'd definitely say it was in this case, which also ties into Varys seemingly teleporting around the world in no time whatsoever.
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Rawgrim Banned for Spam "There are several creatures approaching from the south-east" I have made 4,536 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 2,577 likes My gender is Male	HBO's Game of Thrones Jun 21, 2017 13:33:16 GMT -6 Post by Rawgrim on Jun 21, 2017 13:33:16 GMT -6 Jun 21, 2017 13:27:16 GMT -6 @isichar said: Jun 21, 2017 12:42:38 GMT -6 Rawgrim said: Making it its own thing is fine. But when it starts to contradict itself over and over again it is not a good thing. Take Dorne for example. We are told time and time again that you have to be a noble with a bloodline in order to have a claim to the throne. Dorne is part of the Seven Kingdoms and that law applies there too. Then a bastard whore kills the Prince of Dorne and just sits down and rules. None of the nobles in Dorne even bats an eyebrow at this. This also makes Dany nothing special, because now even a whore can rule. A woman on the throne being special is now mute. If they had included Arianne Martell from the books and let her take the throne down there it would have made a lot more sense. They also messed up the wights. In season 1 one of the rangers that got killed when Benjen died gets through the wall and attacks the Lord Commander. Jon saves him and gets the valyrian sword as a reward. Season 6....Benjen tells Bran he can't pass through the wall because it wards against the undead. The show showed us the complete opposite some seasons earlier. They also killed Bloodraven last season. Bloodraven = the lord of light. The main villain. This means both Jon and Melisandre should collapse and die, since the power that is keeping them alive is now gone. Burning swords should not be a thing anymore either. Regarding the last bit I think it's one of those cases where you can't rely on the book lore since the show handled it differently. Wasn't the shows 3 eyed raven like 3 characters combined? Dorne was one of the weakest parts of the last season, I'll admit. I think it's just due to how little screen time it actually got. Like many parts in season 6 I think they were just rushing to get the pieces in play for this next season. Was it sloppy? Yeah, I'd definitely say it was in this case, which also ties into Varys seemingly teleporting around the world in no time whatsoever. No he is just 1 character on the show. They really didn't do anything with him. He was a big deal until they found him, and then he died after some exposition. Weird that the WWs didn't know about the cave as well. Season 4 ends with an undead trap right outside the cave opening. The WWs had clearly been there. Toss Trystane into the mix. He knows the Sand Snakes killed Myrcella, due to the poison they used. Sand Snakes teleports to KL and enters Trystane's cabin. Trystane, for some reason, greets them in a friendly manner despite knowing full well they killed his GF. He dies, and vanishes. The next day there is a small council meeting. Trystane was supposed to sit on that council. It was the reason he went to KL to begin with. Nobody even mentions that he is missing or asks where he is. The character just got killed and erased. Rushed and sloppy. Arya teleported to Westeros as well. Not to mention Jon and Sansa. They went all about the north in one episode. In season 1 it took King Robert a month to get from KL to Winterfell. Theon and his sister went from Pyke, and then all the way up to Bravos, and then to Mereen in a few episodes as well. That is the Westeros equalant of a trip from Hawaii to Norway and then to China in just a few weeks.
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Rawgrim Banned for Spam "There are several creatures approaching from the south-east" I have made 4,536 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 2,577 likes My gender is Male	HBO's Game of Thrones Jun 21, 2017 13:43:07 GMT -6 Post by Rawgrim on Jun 21, 2017 13:43:07 GMT -6 gameofthronesandnorsemythology.blogspot.no/2013/05/ragnarok-song-of-ice-fire.html Very cool article here for those of you who are interested. It is VERY spot on more often than not. The other posts by the fellow is great too.
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Deleted I have made 0 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined January 1970	HBO's Game of Thrones Jun 21, 2017 14:18:35 GMT -6 via mobile Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 14:18:35 GMT -6 Jun 21, 2017 13:33:16 GMT -6 Rawgrim said: Jun 21, 2017 13:27:16 GMT -6 @isichar said: Regarding the last bit I think it's one of those cases where you can't rely on the book lore since the show handled it differently. Wasn't the shows 3 eyed raven like 3 characters combined? Dorne was one of the weakest parts of the last season, I'll admit. I think it's just due to how little screen time it actually got. Like many parts in season 6 I think they were just rushing to get the pieces in play for this next season. Was it sloppy? Yeah, I'd definitely say it was in this case, which also ties into Varys seemingly teleporting around the world in no time whatsoever. No he is just 1 character on the show. They really didn't do anything with him. He was a big deal until they found him, and then he died after some exposition. Weird that the WWs didn't know about the cave as well. Season 4 ends with an undead trap right outside the cave opening. The WWs had clearly been there. Toss Trystane into the mix. He knows the Sand Snakes killed Myrcella, due to the poison they used. Sand Snakes teleports to KL and enters Trystane's cabin. Trystane, for some reason, greets them in a friendly manner despite knowing full well they killed his GF. He dies, and vanishes. The next day there is a small council meeting. Trystane was supposed to sit on that council. It was the reason he went to KL to begin with. Nobody even mentions that he is missing or asks where he is. The character just got killed and erased. Rushed and sloppy. Arya teleported to Westeros as well. Not to mention Jon and Sansa. They went all about the north in one episode. In season 1 it took King Robert a month to get from KL to Winterfell. Theon and his sister went from Pyke, and then all the way up to Bravos, and then to Mereen in a few episodes as well. That is the Westeros equalant of a trip from Hawaii to Norway and then to China in just a few weeks. I meant they took like 3 characters from the books and combined their roles to all be just the one character in the show. That's what I was told at least, I only have a passing knowledge of the book lore. I bring this up because you said that he was the Lord of Light, but I don't recall anything in the show really directly saying that? I agree on the teleportations being sloppy, but that's a case where it's a minor annoyance for me and personally I'm willing to suspend my disbelief. I get why the creators did that. It's lazy, sure but I'm more interested to see what they're setting the pieces up for. Also you mentioned Trystane knew the Sandsnakes killed Myrcella? Maybe I'm misremembering something here so correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems incorrect. His father finds out in a message immediately before he is killed, and then right after that the Sandsnakes went after Trystane. How could he have known? As far as I can tell he never learned she had died at all, let alone what killed her.
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"In times of lies, only the jesters are telling the truth." "Miracles aren't free you know. If you wish for something good to happen a whole lot of bad stuff is gonna happen too. I guess that's how the world stays in balance, good bad, everything zeros out." “Life is a tale. Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing." Reply Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top

Rawgrim Banned for Spam "There are several creatures approaching from the south-east" I have made 4,536 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 2,577 likes My gender is Male	HBO's Game of Thrones Jun 21, 2017 14:41:28 GMT -6 Post by Rawgrim on Jun 21, 2017 14:41:28 GMT -6 Jun 21, 2017 14:18:35 GMT -6 @isichar said: Jun 21, 2017 13:33:16 GMT -6 Rawgrim said: No he is just 1 character on the show. They really didn't do anything with him. He was a big deal until they found him, and then he died after some exposition. Weird that the WWs didn't know about the cave as well. Season 4 ends with an undead trap right outside the cave opening. The WWs had clearly been there. Toss Trystane into the mix. He knows the Sand Snakes killed Myrcella, due to the poison they used. Sand Snakes teleports to KL and enters Trystane's cabin. Trystane, for some reason, greets them in a friendly manner despite knowing full well they killed his GF. He dies, and vanishes. The next day there is a small council meeting. Trystane was supposed to sit on that council. It was the reason he went to KL to begin with. Nobody even mentions that he is missing or asks where he is. The character just got killed and erased. Rushed and sloppy. Arya teleported to Westeros as well. Not to mention Jon and Sansa. They went all about the north in one episode. In season 1 it took King Robert a month to get from KL to Winterfell. Theon and his sister went from Pyke, and then all the way up to Bravos, and then to Mereen in a few episodes as well. That is the Westeros equalant of a trip from Hawaii to Norway and then to China in just a few weeks. I meant they took like 3 characters from the books and combined their roles to all be just the one character in the show. That's what I was told at least, I only have a passing knowledge of the book lore. I bring this up because you said that he was the Lord of Light, but I don't recall anything in the show really directly saying that? I agree on the teleportations being sloppy, but that's a case where it's a minor annoyance for me and personally I'm willing to suspend my disbelief. I get why the creators did that. It's lazy, sure but I'm more interested to see what they're setting the pieces up for. Also you mentioned Trystane knew the Sandsnakes killed Myrcella? Maybe I'm misremembering something here so correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems incorrect. His father finds out in a message immediately before he is killed, and then right after that the Sandsnakes went after Trystane. How could he have known? As far as I can tell he never learned she had died at all, let alone what killed her. No. The Three Eyed Raven wasn't a combination of anyone. I don't think anyone on the show is a combination of several book characters, actually. Kill whoever told you that. Anyway. Remove Sauron from LOTR and the story collapses too. Same thing in this case. He is actually using Bran, Melisandre and Daneryes as weapons. The good guys are actually the villains. GRRM is turning things around. Suspension of disbelief becomes a problem when you look at the teleporting events in combination with what is going on in the other storylines. A week passes in one storyline when almost half a year would have had to been spent in the next. Yet they intertwine way quickly. It is very visible in the Jon Snow storyline vs Ramsey, and Theon + Asha vs Dany in season 6 She was poisoned by a kiss the same way Bron was. One would think Bron might mention that bit on their trip home. + Trystane has grown up with the Sandsnakes. He is fully aware of their leanings towards poison. They were trained by their father - his uncle, who got his nickname because he was a poisoner.
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Deleted I have made 0 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined January 1970	HBO's Game of Thrones Jun 21, 2017 14:44:25 GMT -6 via mobile Rah likes this Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 14:44:25 GMT -6 Jun 21, 2017 14:36:32 GMT -6 Rah said: Neeeeew trailer Already beat you to the punch last page ya slowpoke! Great trailer though. I was a bit eh at first since it was just reusing tracks and scenes we already saw, but the second half of the trailer gave me a ton of good stuff to chew on.
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Deleted I have made 0 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined January 1970	HBO's Game of Thrones Jun 21, 2017 14:51:43 GMT -6 via mobile Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 14:51:43 GMT -6 Jun 21, 2017 14:41:28 GMT -6 Rawgrim said: Jun 21, 2017 14:18:35 GMT -6 @isichar said: I meant they took like 3 characters from the books and combined their roles to all be just the one character in the show. That's what I was told at least, I only have a passing knowledge of the book lore. I bring this up because you said that he was the Lord of Light, but I don't recall anything in the show really directly saying that? I agree on the teleportations being sloppy, but that's a case where it's a minor annoyance for me and personally I'm willing to suspend my disbelief. I get why the creators did that. It's lazy, sure but I'm more interested to see what they're setting the pieces up for. Also you mentioned Trystane knew the Sandsnakes killed Myrcella? Maybe I'm misremembering something here so correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems incorrect. His father finds out in a message immediately before he is killed, and then right after that the Sandsnakes went after Trystane. How could he have known? As far as I can tell he never learned she had died at all, let alone what killed her. No. The Three Eyed Raven wasn't a combination of anyone. I don't think anyone on the show is a combination of several book characters, actually. Kill whoever told you that. Suspension of disbelief becomes a problem when you look at the teleporting events in combination with what is going on in the other storylines. A week passes in one storyline when almost half a year would have had to been spent in the next. Yet they intertwine way quickly. It is very visible in the Jon Snow storyline vs Ramsey, and Theon + Asha vs Dany in season 6 She was poisoned by a kiss the same way Bron was. One would think Bron might mention that bit on their trip home. + Trystane has grown up with the Sandsnakes. He is fully aware of their leanings towards poison. They were trained by their father - his uncle, who got his nickname because he was a poisoner. Uhhh I think it was actually an article from the creators back between season 4 and 5. I don't know enough to argue that though. Still I stand by the original point I was making, which is that I don't think in the show its actually said that he was the Lord of Light. Suspension of disbelief is a personal thing. All I'm saying is there's a bunch of issues you've brought up that I can aknowledge as issues, they're just things that I'm willing to run with that don't ruin the show significantly for me. Was Trystane even there when they kissed? I'm pretty sure he wasn't. I still don't see how he could have come to any kind of conclusions when he never even found out she was killed in the first place. Had he found out she was dead through poisoning I'd agree with you that it makes sense he'd be able to figure it out quickly, but he didn't know she was dead. As far as he knew she was still heading home on that boat and still well alive.
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Rawgrim Banned for Spam "There are several creatures approaching from the south-east" I have made 4,536 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 2,577 likes My gender is Male	HBO's Game of Thrones Jun 21, 2017 15:03:53 GMT -6 Post by Rawgrim on Jun 21, 2017 15:03:53 GMT -6 Jun 21, 2017 14:51:43 GMT -6 @isichar said: Jun 21, 2017 14:41:28 GMT -6 Rawgrim said: No. The Three Eyed Raven wasn't a combination of anyone. I don't think anyone on the show is a combination of several book characters, actually. Kill whoever told you that. Suspension of disbelief becomes a problem when you look at the teleporting events in combination with what is going on in the other storylines. A week passes in one storyline when almost half a year would have had to been spent in the next. Yet they intertwine way quickly. It is very visible in the Jon Snow storyline vs Ramsey, and Theon + Asha vs Dany in season 6 She was poisoned by a kiss the same way Bron was. One would think Bron might mention that bit on their trip home. + Trystane has grown up with the Sandsnakes. He is fully aware of their leanings towards poison. They were trained by their father - his uncle, who got his nickname because he was a poisoner. Uhhh I think it was actually an article from the creators back between season 4 and 5. I don't know enough to argue that though. Still I stand by the original point I was making, which is that I don't think in the show its actually said that he was the Lord of Light. Suspension of disbelief is a personal thing. All I'm saying is there's a bunch of issues you've brought up that I can aknowledge as issues, they're just things that I'm willing to run with that don't ruin the show significantly for me. Was Trystane even there when they kissed? I'm pretty sure he wasn't. I still don't see how he could have come to any kind of conclusions when he never even found out she was killed in the first place. Had he found out she was dead through poisoning I'd agree with you that it makes sense he'd be able to figure it out quickly, but he didn't know she was dead. As far as he knew she was still heading home on that boat and still well alive. They have not mentioned that he is the LOL on the show, no. But look what that does to the white walker threat. Now they have zero motivation for going south. Since nobody is sending them there. The Lord of Light is pulling all the strings. Most likely he is the reason why Dany keeps surviving fire (same as Melisandre). He needs her dragons. Also why Red Priests are very interested in Dany and her dragons. As I said. You have LOTR without Sauron now. Most likely it will just end with the dragons frying the white walkers. Trystane went with Jame and the rest on the boat. He went with him to sit on the Small Council. He was on the same boat when they killed him too. For some reason they got to KL the same day Jamie and Trystane did.
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