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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 10:52:00 GMT -6
The difference is that those groups didn't try to impose their values on the rest of the country. They also had greater ambitions than becoming a bunch of welfare leeches. We know that now in hindsight, yes, but at that time people were no less convinced they would overtake their new home country than you are right now. And what makes you so convinced of this, anyway -- a few unruly individuals? I'm sure that was the same basis for fear of immigrants in the past. It always comes back to bad experiences. I mean, maybe, just maybe, there are groups of people within these refugee populations who simply want to start their life over quietly/peacefully and not live in a rotting hellhole in the earth. People who can no more make their fellows act the right way than you or I could convince each other of our views on this topic -- we can try our best, but it is ultimately not in our control. I'm sure the long since wiped-out Native American tribes would agree with you. We've heard this narrative before many times when large waves of refugees/immigrants enter whatever first-world country, that these incoming migrants will compromise said country's culture that they hold so dear. We said it when the Irish began pouring in, and again the Germans, Italians, Chinese, Japanese, Indians, Arabs, religious groups, you name it. It has been said every time, and it has been wrong every time. Funny that you bring up the Amerindians, as it's an argument in favor of migrant control, as european parties like the Italian pro-immigration restriction party "Lega Nord" have used in their posters and rethoric. "“They didn’t have immigration laws and now they live on reservations!”" Fortunately, the immigration waves earlier in American history were brief and immigration was restricted in various acts before it became too problematic. The said, various groups like the Irish, Germans,etc were (far) more desirable and easier to culturally assimilate than the various low IQ and low/no skilled dregs that Europe is receiving now from Africa and SW Asia that practice marriage with 12 yos, female genital mutilation, honor killings and various other culturally refined practices. The notion that the latter is going to become well integrated democratic citizens of these countries is "magic dirt" fallacy at it's finest, as evidenced by the various "no-go" zones in places like Malmo,Sweden, the Charlie Hebdo killings in France, Theo Van Gogh's stabbing death in the Netherlands,etc. I just thought it was kind of funny to fear the erosion of culture due to incoming migrants if the guy is white man in the 'States, seeing as it would mean either his own ancestors faced the same sentiments, or they were the only case where this was shown to be true. I'm going to take issue with the examples you've listed. The so-called "no-go zones " are BS, often reported by sources with a clear agenda, and have on several occasions been debunked. Are people really trying to insinuate that government/law-enforcement lack the resources to deal with problems arising within ethnic enclaves? If so, then immigrants are the least of that country's problems. And I don't think Charlie Hebdo and Theo Van Gogh killings reflect on the groups of people coming into Europe, unless this is broadly a matter of religion. If so, again, show me a religious group without some deviant followers. As it relates to the Muslims, I think people fail to realize that this is a very, VERY large group of people we are talking about and that what you get from these people is basically a crapshoot. I simply think there is a disproportionate amount of reporting of these groups in the media; it makes them seem a lot more prevalent than they truly are.
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