You did not "ask" a simple question; that question is clearly not designed to be answered at its face-value. You raised a rhetorical one, to make a point.

Were there any doubt...
So yeah, save the bullshit.
An observation that contradicts your previous point, that the problem was that condemnation was not being voiced, or if it were, it's not being voice loudly enough.

So, basically, your assessment of the problem has shifted. Your location of blame for it has not, though.

Ergo, you moved the goalposts.

I believe it's laughable that you seem to think that the problem can be "over" based meeting any arbitrary percentage benchmark of the population standing up. 1%, 100%... how does the supposed outcome you think will occur logically follow from the premise? There is no causal relation between A and B.

Nowhere near 1% of the US white population marches/demonstrates in the US in response white supremacist violence. Does this mean that white Americans support/condone those groups, and that the problem will be solved by them doing so?

And your proposed solutions to that are nonsense.

Still waiting on that study you were talking about.
I've tried to verify this and have found nothing.

All I got was a report putting the estimated number of in any one city at a few tens of thousands per city.

Irrelevant. Studies show no compelling correlation between harshness of punishment and deterrence. Also, how are you not a Rightist, again?

If harsh(er) punishment does not deter crime, then nothing of objective value is gained from it. Such just serves to satisfy the mob's blood-thirst, and policies based on rule of mob obviously are not desirable.

"Excuses" need not be made for lacking something unnecessary to begin with. The proper goals of a criminal-justice system are rehabilitation (best case) or separation (worst case). Those have objective value. One returns somebody to society in a capacity where they can be productive. The other just makes society safer by not having them around.


I used to frequent this one forum at a site called ratehispanic.com. We discussed luxury prisons in Europe one time. I was young then, 'thought the same thing you guys think now. One guy who had served time before said it makes no difference how nice prisons are; they're still prisons, he said, and convicts will never appreciate being confined and torn away from their lives.... make of that what you will (nothing, if history is anything to go by).

I added a question relevant to what I had said earlier. Society needs to do more to combat the readicalization of young muslims. Muslims need to do more as well. So when I said that only 1% of muslims in the UK demonstrated against Isis it is not moving the goalposts at all. It is at the heart of the argument. How will things improve if only 1% speak out for things to change?

That muslim leaders and society try to do more combat radicalization = a poor suggestion? What do you suggest then? Therapy puppies? Safe-spaces?

You do realize that most of our cities only have some tens of thousands of citizens, right? I pointed that out earlier. Oslo, our capitol, is by far the biggest and that one only has 760 000 citizens. Bergen being the second biggest doesn't even have 300k. Most of our cities have a lot less than 100k, so...."a few tens of thousands" is correct. It also means that it is often way more than 50% of the city itself. So it amounts to way more than 1% in the end.

Naw it is not irrelevant when someone who kills over 80 children gets to spend the rest of his life playing playstation. In some cases the Death Penalty is ok. I am against it on principle, but every rule has an exception. Breivik is one of those.

I have voted for SV (socialist left party) at every election since the 90s. That is the political party up here that is as close to Sanders politically as it gets. If you think that means someone is a Righty, you need to think about where you are getting your information, or how you process it. Something is off. Both the right and the left has flaws in them. Addressing the flaws of your own party is important as well, if you want it to get more solid. The opposition isn't an enemy, it is people with a different view. As a society we have to live with them too, and work with them to go forward. Hence why labeling is stupid. When you label someone you make a push. Push from the left and the people you push will end up closer to the right. Not a good recipe for progress or unity.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Left_Party_(Norway)

I agree with you completely. Rehabilitation is the key word. Once in awhile, however, someone pops up that is so evil he is beyond any kind of redemption. In those extreme cases the death penalty is justified.

I can't exactly source it because it's 3 am, but in most states in the US, the death penalty isn't cheaper than a life sentence beause of all the tape that must be cut with taxes in order for all the court reviews and equipment costs.

Of course, countries with less attachments to the death penalty would have even more red tape.

But that fucker should not get to play P5 before I do because he has more time in his day.

Rehabilitation and things like that is easier to get done successfully in smaller countries, though. In a huge country like the US it is very difficult. Way too many criminals, and all the different states have a lot of different laws and the like. 

But it is true though. In some cases rehabilitation just isn't possible. Even if a man like Breivik got rehabilitated, society would never accept him.

no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_over_markeringer_etter_terrorangrepet_i_Norge_2011

Here are the numbers of people who marched\took a stand against Breivik. The article is in Norwegian but numbers are numbers. Easy to read.
75-100k in Drammen, for example. Even though the city only has a population of 68k. People from outside the city went into the cities to join the crowds.

Marches are still being held every year too.

I know 4 people who have been in jail up here. 3 of them for selling drugs. They all said it was like staying at a hotel. And they all got jobs right after. No blacklisting of former convicts up here. 1 of them actually didn't lose his job when he went inside. 8 months inside and his job was waiting for him when he got out. 

He hasn't edited out anything. The video shows exactly what some prisons up here are. There is a prison 1 hour away from where I live. The prisoners are outside way more than they are inside. No walls around it either. 

If you have no clue about what you are talking about, best keep quiet. You are completely off target.

Edit: Showed your post to one of the friends I mentioned. He was inside for two years. His words "This guy is completely clueless".

Here you go, dumbass. Information for you




Educate yourself.






Norway is know for this, man. How on earth did you miss this?

Yeah. A prison system that makes sure the prisoners become productive members of society after their time is served = terrible.