Haugesund



A sea of flowers placed outside the main church in Oslo.


Stavanger. 75k people showed up there to show their disgust for Breivik. More than half the population of the city itself.



Oslo



A few hundred thousand in Oslo. Holding up roses. The symbol of the labor party - the victims were all members of that party.

Every city did this to take a stand against that nazi. Almost 3 million people all in all. A high percentage given that the country only has 5.something million people.

Facts before feelings, please.

Check out what happened to Sinnead O' Connor. She tried to shine a light on catholic priests molesting kids back in the 90s. The mob got upset and killed her career. Madonna chimed in and did her best to bash the woman as well. 

Turns out O'Connor was spot on all along, of course.

Given how often radical islamists do shit like this, it would be unfair to ask muslims to demonstrate against it every week too. In all fairness.

You argued that they do not get condemned, and if they do, their condemnation of the threat is not public enough. Now you have been shown otherwise and are moving the goalposts expecting me and others to be baffled by weak misdirection. You were wrong, dude -- face it and move on. 'Happens to all of us.

Also, this attack took place on a Monday and the march was on a weekday. The march you posted was in response to an attack on a Friday, so presumably over the weekend.

Third, where are you even getting your figure of 3 million demonstrators in Norway?

How is asking a simple question moving the goalposts? 30k out of 3 million muslims in the UK taking a stand against Isis via demonstration. That is 1%. The comment wasn't a follow-up to my previous point either, it was an observation. Do you believe if only 1% it is enough to make change or even make a statement? Or are you saying because 1% took a stand against it, the problem is no over and nothing more needs to be done?

As I said before. It needs to change inside out. Stop the radicalization of the youngers. It is a growing problem.

Since half the population in most of the cities marched. Every county in Norway had a march where most joined the local march. And it has been said on the news up here every year since then. There is no exact number, so it is a round-about kind of thing. 

Still. Way more than 1% isn't it? The political party Breivik was a member of got destroyed during the following election as well. The labour party got a huge boost from voters who voted for them to make a statement against right-wing extremism. The only downside is that our legal system is way too kind. Instead of giving Breivik a death-penalty, he is now in jail. The jails up here are more or less hotell-rooms. He has a PS4 and all kinds of stuff in his cell. Not much of a punishment.

One thing I've noticed with people that generally like to condemm the muslims, are people that generally don't associate with anybody that isn't their skin colour or their "culture" as it were.

Most of them also happend to be from Murica and Canada. Europeans generally have a higher tolerance for them, since they've lived in our countries for decades without problems.

Obligate to do it? No. But it certainly would help. Way more muslims are being killed by extremists than others. They are suffering the bulk of the damage. I am sure they want it to stop too.

Both the Koran and the Bible speak of love and respect, but both of them also say that you should kill infidels, witches and lots of other stuff. Means they are both shit.

Who would it help? And who should they say it too? Again, it is the presumption that generally all muslims condone's these attacks that is the problem. They need to be invited into the political debate, not be apologists for something they have nothing to do with. If I were a muslim I would feel downright hurt, not just because people commit these awful acts in the name of a religion I beleive in, but also because my fellow citizens feel that I as a muslim have a special obligation. It is absurd.

It is not Islam that is brainwashing these people, it is the actions of these extremists that does, same with Breivik.

Yes. Get muslim leaders into debates and all kinds of stuff. Let them be heard. Counter the arguments and the brainwashing the extremists are using at every turn.


In a 2007 Pew Research poll in response to a question on whether suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified,[31] in Europe:

(36 vs 64) 64% of Muslims in France believed it could never be justified, 19% believed it could be justified rarely, 10% sometimes, and 6% thought it could be justified often.

(30 vs 70) 70% of Muslims in Britain believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 12% sometimes, and 3% thought it could be justified often.

(17 vs 83) 83% of Muslims in Germany believed it could never be justified, 6% believed it could be justified rarely, 6% sometimes, and 1% thought it could be justified often.

(31 vs 69) 69% of Muslims in Spain believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 10% sometimes, and 6% thought it could be justified often.

In mainly Muslim countries:

(55 vs 45) 45% of Muslims in Egypt believed it could never be justified, 25% believed it could be justified rarely, 20% sometimes, and 8% thought it could be justified often.

(39 vs 61) 61% of Muslims in Turkey believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 14% sometimes, and 3% thought it could be justified often.

(57 vs 43) 43% of Muslims in Jordan believed it could never be justified, 28% believed it could be justified rarely, 24% sometimes, and 5% thought it could be justified often.

(72 vs 28) 28% of Muslims in Nigeria believed it could never be justified, 23% believed it could be justified rarely, 38% sometimes, and 8% thought it could be justified often.

(31 vs 69) 69% of Muslims in Pakistan believed it could never be justified, 8% believed it could be justified rarely, 7% sometimes, and 7% thought it could be justified often.

(29 vs 71) 71% of Muslims in Indonesia believed it could never be justified, 18% believed it could be justified rarely, 8% sometimes, and 2% thought it could be justified often.

Just some statistics. Kind of relevant. It is more than just a few extremists that condone terror. It is a larger problem than many believe.

Yes it is Islam that is brainwashing people, in the sense that the Koran and verses from it is being used as the main arguments for extremism. It is the same kind of nutcase religious brainwashing we had in Europe a few centuries ago. 

Breivik didn't brainwash anyone, though. He went solo. Nobody has followed his nazi actions later on either. His actions didn't spark a hint of the "revolution" he was trying to make happen.