He does not matter in the long term that is.

His ideas are popular and dangerous but most of his young viewer base will grow out of him, become normal right-wingers or become those Bannon/Alex Jones old nutcases. But either way, they will forget about him as if he never existed unless he actually ran for something and win but good fucking luck to him doing that.

Hell my crazy aunt only ever posted about him once after I made a post mocking the fucker. He will be forgotten if not his views.


As for Chomsky, he was a nice guy when I met him at like 5. Think that was him. My dad knows him so yeah.

And he has the right balance if you ask me.

Chomsky isn't radical enough for people you know? Are the people you know on the domestic terror watch list? Or college professors? Or both? (e.g. ex-Weathermen)

Don't know why several of you seem to have an obsession with PJW. Though he must be doing something right to be "objectively wrong" in HYR's eyes.

Anyway I looked up Germaine Greer and why she's apparently an outcast. Silly her for going against the leftist dogma of the moment. For all of the back patting the left does about how much they "fucking love science" they sure like to pretend that chromosomes aren't a thing.

It's everything. I've seen how much hate can hurt people, especially those around the person filled with hate. During the whole SSM debacle anything the yes side did that was negative was lambasted throughout the whole country. Headbutted the former Prime Minister (even though it was because he was a "cunt" in his own words) brought down a massive wall of hate on us.

Your actions reflect on us, we don't want to be surrounded by hate. To use a metaphor for internet activism for the "left" it seems to fall into one of two categories. The people that pay lipservice, which I personally don't mind. Some might find it irritating and the others that would rather beat up a bunch of thugs that kicked a kitten rather than seeing to the kitten and then saying "I did good". That's what the whole thing with the Alt-right is.

Why are you going after them? Why are you giving them the attention? When there are people that deserve the attention a lot more and no I'm not talking about the other political youtube channels. Which I believe they're promoting a toxic ideology where people become less able to think for themselves and forget how to communicate in the real world. There's pretty much two types of conflicting cultures. Real world and internet world. The internet world being where conflict and hate seems to be the prevalent way of communicating, disagree with someone argue with them until you're right. Real world, try that and you'll find yourself ostracised.

I deal with a lot of people who's opinions I'm sure I'd find offensive, quite frankly I get along with them because I have other things in common. Like suffering at the same shitty job

I've never seen that. During the SSM debate what was fuelling love was love. People stood by their friends, their lovers, their family, their neighbour and pretty much rose their voices loud enough that it couldn't be ignored.

People came together and it wasn't about the other side's opinions. It was about the gay people that wanted to get married. Yelling at someone doesn't make them want to join us, we can't convince them to join us, we shouldn't convince them nor should we hate them. Not worth it and one day they'll realise through the most powerful opinion changer of all personal experience that maybe they were wrong. It happened to me, my opinion of trans people was pretty non-existent. I honestly didn't give that much of a shit, I didn't understand it, I didn't care to understand it. After talking with trans people I learned what it was like and it was pretty similar to my own experiences. If someone yelled at me for being wrong about the plight of trans people back then I probably would've been more resistant to actually understand it. Chances are I may have gone on the defensive and started painting trans people with the same brush calling them hostile.

As for your aunt, is she really worth the effort and misery to hate? I don't find my dad worth hating and he's an abusive alcoholic it's not worth the negative feelings, it's not worth getting angry about, it's not worth feeling shit about. I much rather have little to nothing to do with him.

And they are decent human beings, don't attribute to malice to what can easily be explained by ignorance and some people don't have the time nor patience to learn. People I'm talking about work in pretty shitty conditions with high stress for low pay. They're not going to worry about anything that doesn't affect them or their mates.

As for the real scumbags? I feel sorry for them, that they're so blinded by hate that they can't see past a few characteristics or opinions of a person that they don't realise people are more complex than they give them credit for and by hating them you're just fulfiling a hate-filled cycle. 

Hate and love are not two sides of the same coin. If you think love is effort then there is something wrong, love comes naturally unless if you're Recon hate takes effort. The other side of love that you're looking for is apathy. If you feel nothing towards them then they are worth nothing to you. Hate is just a corrupted form of love, poisoned really. Hate brings nothing but misery. After I got out of my abusive relationship with my ex I hated her for what I went through. It made me feel a lot more shit than I should have, it made it difficult for me to move on because instead of addressing the core issues I was throwing my hate towards her, does she deserve it? Probably. Did it help me? Definitely not. It took me a while to realise most of my misery came from the fact that I hated her. It wasn't until I stopped caring I felt better.

To you.

For others it's different and you should get that rather than hate well hate.

Since I exist as a counter point to all of that.

My hate. Pure blind and/or rageful hate and all my fully revengeful feelings I have? All have helped me move on and lead to better things where I am happy. And have less misery.

And it has never effected anyone around me badly.  I have balance and hate fuels me really well.


And I don't know, try living with a person of pure selfish self-love. Someone that has truly hurt you and others you care about. Then maybe you would understand the benefits of hate a bit more.

I do agree apathy is a great thing on its own too but I say again it's part of a balance you need. The edge of the coin if you ask me.

The concept of social inclusion sounds like a good way to exclude people, by assuming divisions.

The truth is that like everyone uses a Greco-Roman calendar etc, the question is really, should that world accept Americans and their need to label everything? 

I guess they use the Calendar also, it certainly looks like they want to be a part of it all. 

I know it kinda just ended, but I think hate has it's own uses as well. It's a wonderful motivator, which sure, love is just as good or better in most cases, but the two working together is great.

I mean, why would I try to become the person I would love to be if I didn't hate as I am now a little?

Why would I want to beat the shit out of co-workers for being lazy idiots if I didn't have some modicum of respect for the job?

I just see hate as a persistent form of anger and disgust, which while primal, can be used for being about a good in the presence of good.

Why would people think (wrongly) that LGBT people are bringing about a era of sin and lost profits if they didn't love how things were?

I can see your points about hate, but in my opinion, just like love, it has the capacity to work all axis of the moral spectrum. Things just can't be so black and white.

Well that's a shame. I was legitimately enjoying this discussion. It really made me grapple with lots of different | i d e a s | and challenge my beliefs.

Truth told I felt I got where you were coming from. Again, I am not really for hating any person per se. In that sense, I could agree with you.

But then I am for hate of things, like disease and homelessness. I suspect you would not disagree with that. Thing is, you get to a point where certain people (namely, public-servants) are not part of the solution to those things, but corrupted and patently part of the problem.

I believe kindness is mostly strength. Hate is very intellectually-lazy and altogether easy to give into. That said, if you are so kind that it prevents you from vociferously criticizing that which does active harm, I do think your kindness has become weakness at that point.

Absolutism, as a general rule, is not sensible.

For the record, I'm not for hate of the followers of prominent bad people. I try to give them the benefit of the doubt of just being misguided. And that turns out to often be the case. They care about what I care about, just have different ideas on how to solve the problem. That said, some of them really do just have abhorrent reasons, too.

I also want to distinguish between Love and Like. You do not need the latter for the former.

e.g.
I love my Dad, but I do not like him, and we do not get along. We have to keep our distance from one another to keep the peace. Sadly that is probably the best we can do. If I were to radically alter myself such that I enjoy being insulted in very uncalled-for ways (sometimes in public) and the trauma of our bad relationship were removed from memory, then yeah, maybe we could be pals. Realistically, healthy doses of separation (and me going into a blind rage when he starts getting insufferable again to remind him I'm no longer the weak child that will take his shit and to ultimately scare him off of it) is the best policy.

e.g.
I get why White Nationalism is on the rise here in the US. At some level, I can find it in me to still see the human side in these people, and for that reason I am very much for trying to rehabilitate these people over socially ostracizing them for life. That said, let's also be practical here. I'm not white (or Christian, for that matter). So long as you are part of those groups, you are not my friend, for obvious reasons. I do not like you, and it's not me; it's you. I will forgive if you come home again. If I can help, I will try, within reason. Beyond that, though, you can blow me.