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Post by Fast Jimmy on Sept 7, 2015 17:39:03 GMT -6
What makes you think we can raise the proper question? An ant can ask the question "why am I being crushed?" But it can't understand that it was being crushed by a tractor wheel, which was rolling by his ant hill to plant seeds so that humans (a being an ant cannot recognize as being anything other than a non-ant) can eat and subsist. And that they use tractors to hep with specialized occupation, where a farmer can grow enough food to feed dozens, if not hundreds, of humans, allowing them to do other tasks that benefit other humans (and all being tasks which an ant could not comprehend). The same can be said of "if God exists, why do bad things still happen?" We could be ants being crushed by a tractor and able to ask the question, but not the right question. And we still certainly won't be able to understand the answer, just like the ant can't understand why it is being crushed. I think the better argument over "humans are smarter than ants, so we should be able to handle the answer" is "if God is God, then why did he make the anthill so close to where the tractor would drive (in this example) in the first place?" I'm rambling now, but still... I think the ant argument holds up, even if it doesn't offer us any solace. Fair point, although I'm not sure if the ant can ask any questions at all, let alone the right ones. Still, the specifics of the analogy are basically beside the point. The limitations of skeptical theism as a response to the problem of evil are numerous; I'll confine myself to just two: 1. If we accept that God's ways are mysterious and that for all we know, there are greater goods served by all the horrible stuff that happens, then many of the best reasons to believe that God exists go out the window. Consider the fine-tuning argument: According to this argument, the probability of there being a life-sustaining universe if there is no God is nearly zero, while if there is a God, then the probability is quite high. Since there obviously is such a universe, it's probable that God exists (or so the argument goes). But if God's reasons are utterly mysterious, then the second part of that argument (that God would want to create a life-sustaining universe) doesn't work out. For all we know, there would be some incomprehensible good served by a universe that exists for only a few seconds, or that consists of nothing but hydrogen atoms. 2. This one is a bit more controversial (I'm not actually sure it's a great objection), but has dominated the literature for the past few years: The idea is that if all the evils of the world could serve some sort of incomprehensible good, then that may give me reason not to prevent evils. Consider an old woman crossing the street who's about to get hit by a car. Do I shove her out of the way? For all I know, some greater good is served by her getting hit, and I could be preventing that greater good from being realized by moving her out of the way. The result is a kind of moral paralysis, where I am unable to make basic moral decisions because the evidence I would need to make them is beyond my ken. Anyways, there are a bunch more of these, but I'm rambling at this point; if you like, I can send you my paper on this subject, but it is long, dry and boring. Well, your second point is intriguing and actually more in line with my true way of thinking, up to a point. But to best explain it, I think it may make sense to revisit the original question - why would a God create us? An all powerful, solitary being would have created other beings capable of thought for a lot of reasons, some of which may even be incomprehensible. But that God did (let's just assume). So, there's two big options in creating beings - limited and unlimited resources. Beings with unlimited resources would have no sense of time (since time would be infinite), no sense of need (since resources would be infinite), possibly even no sense of self-interest (because what self-interest can their truly be in an infinite world where existence is never ending?). But with limited resources? That's quite different. You have need, because you must subsist. You have self-interest to keep you going. You have a feeling of time, as your days are always numbered and could end in a flash. You can show compassion and empathy, because you understand that others have needs just like your own. You can show ingenuity and cleverness, because you need to capture resources or complete tasks with the limited time you are offered. You can be wise and experienced, because your time is valuable and it pays to learn from past mistakes instead of just grinding through at the same pace. So there's a lot of benefits of creating intelligent beings with limited resources. It allows them to bring out the most important characteristics of being an intelligent being. But it also, obviously, brings out the worst - jealousy, starvation, corruption, war... all of mankind's worst traits are all traced back to our pathological need for more, more, more. So clearly resource-limited beings have drawbacks. So why not a hybrid model? Limited resource beings who must learn all the valuable lessons of being creative, kind and diligent, while fighting off the worst elements of sickness, fear, hatred and ignorance. Who, upon death, graduate to immortal beings in an infinite state of existence who can carry over those lessons to do X. Where X is obviously the thing that we can't comprehend (just like we can't comprehend why God would make any beings period). With this model, it makes sense why things aren't magically paradise for us. It also explains what (general) purpose we might have here on the planet. People may die and it is a loss... but it also tests our resolve, strengthens our bonds with others and can teach us to value the world we have today. People may get sick, by it teaches us empathy, how to be strong when our bodies are weak and how to be smarter with cures and medicine. People may be cruel, but it teaches us about justice, fairness and how to overcome our feelings of rage when we have been wronged. The list goes on. Bad things happen and there still could be very real benefits to them, even if they are terrible. And God being God would realize that and know when to intervene (and when to not). Yet if we see someone about to be hit by a car, we aren't God, so we can't assume some higher good is at play... we should (in every case I can think of) act, giving exercise to our courage, our empathy and our best qualities as humans. Because to say "bad things happen for a good reason, so I should take no action" corrodes our empathy and stunts the development we should be on this planet for. In my own opinion, at least.
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