Oh man. I've had a lot of thoughts on this and the culture around it of late.

There's a culture of bashing on it, particularly over at YT that's very reminiscent of the Last Jedi, post its release. And I think using TLJ to explain a lot of it is pretty helpful, if not straight up because its partially causative of this. Because unlike TLJ, the backlash has come beforehand. You could pin that on the situation with Brie, but I feel like Rawgrim's more right then even that, in that its not only going to happen more and more, but that people are going to get wise to it in advance if this continues. Or at the very least they'll think they're wise to it. I still haven't seen Captain Marvel and I'm pretty sure it'll turn out as just another good marvel flick (Most reviews seem to say as much). So why's a backlash here full force in advance this time around? Yeah Ms Larson hasn't helped, but heading back to TLJ again... On account of engaging with some Star Wars content on YT at one point in my life, YT apparently think's that that's all I want. Seemingly daily TLJ bashing vids pop up in my recommendations, with several of these channels seemingly having had their claim to fame off of attacking every inch of the films peripheral. I might have mentioned it in the star wars thread at the time, but there was one channel that kept popping in my recommendations that seemed to get new vids on the daily, where the dude visited closing down Toys R Us stores, and would count the various Star Wars Toys they were struggling to sell, mocking the piles of Rose Ticos and such. And it was very weird. Got a lot of attention though! And that's the point.  

I 100% believe that a lot of these content creators at least, like the one you bumped into don't hate these films as much as they might appear to. It takes a lot of effort to manufacture half decent, watchable content. But they are taking advantage of people frustrated with certain political elements around them, people who are pushed to spaces such as these because elsewhere has a habit of featuring the types who toss words like misogynist and racist around when they hear there are those who haven't enjoyed certain films or elements surrounding them. People that do fit those labels undoubtedly do exist in those spaces, and I think hating on Captain Marvel as a movie mostly due to Brie's comments, as annoying as they were, to be a bit unnecessary, but not unreasonable. They annoyed me too. Publicly stating such stuff seems as if a borderline hate crime to some in some spaces, and I'm well aware of what its like having people politically weaponise simple acts of your day to day against you based on your identity. Simple acts like seeing a movie. rather than deal with that continually, discussion ends up pushed into YT folk. And you can see how they are.  


Those content creators are a sizable part of the problem here. They get to define the narrative as as incendiary as they want to. And why wouldn't they for cultivating attention toward their monetised channels? They're laughing all the way to the bank. However, to me I also feel it would help tremendously if female led films would stop being marketed as if some great cultural phenomenon. Disney is tremendously guilty of this. That or they keep having others position their products to be seen like that. I'm honestly not sure if this falls on Disney/Marvels, or a particularly brand of fans but I digress. I fully believe that wider audiences are more than happy, and have been for years in accepting female lead characters. When they come about and turn out not to not even be just bad characters, but barely a character at all, like Rey, then yeah, you end up with backlash post the fact, because people are unhappy with the story created. In fact I feel it extremely condescending for these ideas to surround Captain Marvel at all. Disney are the ones who have chosen to wait this long in their line of seemingly unsinkable superhero films, where they can field test just about anything, any concept, to finally dare to do a female led film. Now that they have, finally, its now that they choose to pat themselves on the back for a job well done. How brave! Disney got their purple space maniac out the gate before they did a lead female. But they're the progressive group, and detractors are the problem. I actually feel that othering women into being this special, celebratory inclusion is harmful to having them appear more often at all, and certainly to them being portrayed better, but that's a whole other 10 paragraphs of unfiltered blather. :<

Meanwhile in other industries and even other movies, I imagine many of the same people who were being called misogynist for being critical of Rey or whatever have been consuming media with female leads, and actually decent ones at that for years. And they're now being condescended by the same people attached to those who've meant that it doesn't happen more often! No wonder people feel shitty on it, I super empathise with that. Its hypocritical condescension surrounding a MOVIE. Some people do want politics tied to their films. I doubt they ever want that though! No wonder some people are riled. I mention Rey a lot too, cos she's practically the poster girl for this kind of trouble at this point. And I see 'Rey effect' tossed around a lot when looking at Danvers in Captain Marvel. Naturally, that's a knee jerk response against Brie's character and the film as a whole before it was out, and that's more than a bit silly. Whether there's any value to assertions like that though, if that's the conclusion a good chunk of people came to from from not only the trailer content and the narratives pushed by fans and wider marketing, but the precedent set by material released by the very same corporation, then really there's no one else to blame but Disney. And that won't change until people begin to be shown otherwise.

Or people can just, keep belittling those who are ordinary folk unhappy with a media product by depicting them as and lumping them in with crazy people. I'm sure that'll help too.

People who were politically motivated saying it would flop though? Those people are completely insane. XD As if it would, tithing into the next film post infinity war lol
  

lol Another good one.

Yeah it was just one guy. And he said that yup she is not as bad as Rey.

Good man that guy. Hates the women but knows which ones are the worst women.

Though that dude's views on black people, yikes.

Tet you're the only one to remember Jar Jar's actor getting hate?

And the guy's name?!

Did I just step into the middle of a culture war here?

Seems like she took it the wrong way. Tom Cruise has been praised for doing most of his stunt work.

The politics... I can see why the internet trolls on the right seem to hate this movie. Aside from it definitely being a feminist plot that sidelines most of the male characters, ...