Okay! So I'm going to steadily work through my replies now. Just had my coffee so while my brain isn't running at top speed right now, it's still a bit functional. Might have to agitate my allergy to double posting so that I can give both of you the replies deserved, as well as try not to make this post take up far too much room. >.> I'll have some extra notes after I cover your stuff, Shep and then I'll work on Ness'
(Yes, I'm giddy, getting to discuss a series that means so much to me with others)
I'm mostly laughing about my notes right now because they're almost full train of consciousness type things and I (as you probably already noticed) tend to go off on wild tangents when I'm trying to shove these pieces in my brain somewhere. So I have like three different paragraphs right now regarding Zero's identity, cause my brain is all over the place.
I was supposed to do a full series replay before ZTD came out, but June has been a complicated month (go ahead, take that as a 999 joke and laugh, because I'm doing it too) so that didn't happen and I'm kind of running on six years ago memory for 999 and three years old memory for VLR. Much like you, I think the bigger points still stuck but as you'll eventually see in my notes, there's some things I can't fully remember regarding 999's finer details. But with replacing my copy of 999, I'll have all three again and even if I have to give myself a break, once I'm done this first playthrough, there's a chance I'll do a full series run provided it doesn't pull an ME3 (we'll touch on this eventually given where you stand with it and of course I'll bring my own too many words to the table as well).
Well, you aren't wrong... >.> We're most definitely going to get to that once I cover the rest of the reply because oops, I did most of the Triangle fragment last night and let's just say I had a *long* point where i needed to close the lid and just stare because my brain was doing far too much.
Not going to deny that it's taking all of my self restraint here to stick to the schedule of playing it at night. VLR I just binged regardless of time of day because I needed to. But in mentioning again what we're going to talk about later with Triangle, it's safe to say I finally hit one of those points where the game is doing as the series does, and putting something into my mind that sticks with me hard, even after sleeping. I'm amused when I think back on getting the Axe ending for the first time, and how the next day at work, I made my coworker/friend sit down and watch it with me on YT even though he had exactly zero (huehue) context for it.
See this is why I'm laughing so much, because I'm making little addendums in my notes as time goes on and since right now I'm just grabbing at straws and funneling too much information from the other two games into place (not going to lie, I worry this is a silly course of action that might leave me unsatisfied later, but we'll see as time goes on), so there's a huge chance so many of my notes are wrong.
999 spoiler
Ace. Oh Gentarou. You.... You are one of the embodiments of why I have trust issues. I believed him hook, line and sinker. Something about father figures airs, parental figures in general and how sometimes I can foolishly be too trusting. So, when his mask came off? I most certainly was devastated. My order of endings was Coffin>Safe>Axe>Knife>Sub>True. The first two were my blind runs, the rest were guided save for true cause it turns out I already knew how to get it, lol. So the pieces started falling into place more and more. I tried to get a friend into the series and he quit after getting the Knife ending for his first, saying everything he did was pointless. Tried pleading, tried explaining that every bad end has a point but it wasn't meant to be. So I'm happy I have you folks to ramble at.
Right, and we'll most definitely touch on this when the time comes. Trying to adjust my expectations as I go, like I said. Even though I say a million times my desired things to be satisfied, I know in my heart there's also a chance it won't live up to the self inflicted hype I've rolled it in. That'll be my own fault and in some ways, knowing you feel it might not be as.... conclusive as my brain might desperately wants, kind of serves to rein me back in a little bit.
Makes my heart warm, it really does. I admit when I got the first ending, I didn't completely focus on the credits because I knew I would when I eventually get the true ending, so seeing that acknowledgement? Probably going to make me cry, but then again I'll probably already be sooooo. >.>
That uncertainty we had for years after VLR and being told the third wouldn't happen because it's more profitable in the West than the East, not going to lie there was an ache in my heart. See, you'll see me mention it in my notes but Remember11 (and in hand, Ever17, I/O and a few others) was a much earlier VN by some of the crew that went on to work on 999 and Zero Escape in general. R11 is pretty important to me in the same way ZE is, dealing with a lot of subject content that hits my heart. It unfortunately ended on a huge cliffhanger and I doubt we'll ever see a pickup of it. I worried the same was going to be true for ZE as well, so in a sense, I'm happy we at least got a conclusion, regardless of how I feel about it when I'm done.
I/O tickles me in that I feel it was practice for VLR and its blocked paths with other points needing to be seen first. They've done this a few times, taken mechanics used in their earlier things and used them in ZE so it makes me smile quite a bit.
I get you, and we'll most definitely touch on these things later. Like I said, I'm a little worried I'm overhyping and setting my expectations too goddamn high here. I know there's a strong chance real information from the earlier games won't be pulled in too much, but god I can't help but hope so. One of my bigger issues with ME3 with it being made with newcomers in mind. I guess I'm desperately hoping ZTD was made with long time fans in mind and the little flashes I've picked up on so far have made me smile as a long time fan.
*Okay* Now that I've addressed everything, it's finally time for me to slip some real spoiler stuff in regarding what I saw last night.
Triangle spoilers
Well. Sometimes my inklings are right, and then sometimes they are both right and holy shit at the same time. Going to tell you a quick 999 story here. When I first bought the game, I snickered a little bit over Lotus and initially wrote her off as just being there for fanservice. Silly me, cause much like with Gentarou, Clover, Aoi, Akane...ahh fuck it, the whole damn cast, these stereotypes or tropes are in place to spin your head around later and it turns out that Lotus ended up being one of my favorite characters in the whole game.
Sooooooo with that in mind. Let's talk about Mira.
Before release, I had only watched trailer #2 and vaguely formed some thoughts there. Now you see, prior conditioning told me that maybe I should view Mira in the same way I did Lotus and maybe, just maybe her character shot in trailer 2 was just a snapping point? Because it wouldn't be the first time someone in this series reacted erratically because they mentally snapped (hello Axe Ending). Signs started pointing that way when I got a little time with her in game and she seemed mostly sedate if snarky and in a sense, a fair bit charming, hmm? Lotus principle still in place, we're good.
No, actually we aren't. Regarding the order I did the three (don't know yet how to get the last branch) branching endings were: No one>Eric>Mira. Now let's backtrack for a second and I'll say that I foolishly assumed the Heartripper story that Q told was a little bit of flavor text? I mean the series does enjoy poking at thought experiments (love it for that) and it really was silly of me to assume this was merely being told for the sake of being really disconcerting... Buuuuut I certainly got my wakeup call as soon as I chose Eric second. I mean the signs were there in the no one option, all things considered, but ohhhhhhh the lights came on in this ending and there's really one way I've been able to vaguely talk about it.
Morbidly fascinating. Because remember when I mumbled about VLR toning down the horror aspects being one reason it wasn't quite as visceral for me as 999 (yes though it did make up for it in emotionally destroying me but shhhhhhh)? Well. Let's just get it out there that ZTD most definitely found its way back to horror and holy shit, yes I had to close my DS lid halfway through Mira's monologue, as I was realizing the broad case of taking a metaphor far, *far* too literally and yet the disassociation all over her backstory, it fascinated me even in light of what I was seeing and... hearing at that moment.
I have a feeling I'm going to touch back on that fragment again at some point because yup, it stuck with me hard. For the record, the way I choose what fragment to go to is: I decide the team I want to control, look at the thumbnails and decide which one at that moment looks the most interesting.
As of right now I've completed: Suspicion and all but one strand of Triangle. Before closing it down, I went to Transporter but I won't comment there since that's a book and a half *maybe* and I've only started the puzzle room and shut it down for sleep.
Alright, I know.... a fuckton of words and if you read it all, thank you. Zero Escape does a lot for my brain, always has, and if there's one way to get me to not shut up, it's get me on this series.
I know this speech is disjointed as fuck and I apologize. I still can't fully put into words what the hell my brain is doing over this ending....