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Chewin Banned for Spam I have made 1,328 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 1,449 likes My gender is Male	Megami Tensei: Discussion Thread Jun 24, 2018 14:31:37 GMT -6 via mobile CitizenChris92 and Hospital-chan like this Post by Chewin on Jun 24, 2018 14:31:37 GMT -6 Chris puts it as eloquently as always. Also I can't help but feel that the cast of P5 acts a bit more mature like compared to previous ones. Not that P3 and 4 lacked it, but I feel that while the P5 cast still act as kids and share a naive mindset from time to time, they share development and world views on society which has a more emotional maturity to it.
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CitizenChris92 Banned for Spam The Persona Bloke https://i.imgur.com/MYlWtPB.png I have made 3,173 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 1,129 likes My gender is Male BSN Posts 10.365	Megami Tensei: Discussion Thread Jun 24, 2018 14:31:45 GMT -6 Post by CitizenChris92 on Jun 24, 2018 14:31:45 GMT -6 I'd probably compare the PThantom Thieves to the crew of the Bebop, or the gang in Ghost in the Shell if anything. Maybe a bit more to the Ghost in the Shell gang in that they are a bit tighter
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Hospital-chan Banned for Spam I have made 3,416 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 1,627 likes My gender is Male BSN Posts 22,972	Megami Tensei: Discussion Thread Jun 24, 2018 14:41:48 GMT -6 Chewin likes this Post by Hospital-chan on Jun 24, 2018 14:41:48 GMT -6 Jun 24, 2018 14:31:37 GMT -6 Chewin said: Chris puts it as eloquently as always. Also I can't help but feel that the cast of P5 acts a bit more mature like compared to previous ones. Not that P3 and 4 lacked it, but I feel that while the P5 cast still act as kids and share a naive mindset from time to time, they share development and world views on society which has a more emotional maturity to it. It helps that all of them have already seen the nasty side of the world which is why they have such an unhealthy view point on adults. It's not to look down or even snide at the problems Persona 4 and most of 3 cast where going through, but PT personal problems where very heavy for what are 16 and 17 year olds, some of which many of us can relate to pretty dam easily. Ryuji and Anne just by the start is pure adult fear because of where that shit was happening.
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Puzzlewell Banned for Spam Wolf Prince Sparkling Justice I have made 1,140 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 1,885 likes My gender is Female BSN Posts 1753	Megami Tensei: Discussion Thread Jun 24, 2018 15:00:56 GMT -6 Chewin and Hospital-chan like this Post by Puzzlewell on Jun 24, 2018 15:00:56 GMT -6 ^ House nailed right there one of the biggest reasons P5's cast is easily my favorite alongside 2. The sheer amount I can relate to them so deeply and how human they all feel. Futaba's arc specifically hits my heart in many ways that I honestly wasn't expecting, so by the time I finished it, emotions were everywhere. It's a cast I had a hard time saying goodbye to when the credits were rolling but it's one of the few of the series that I do intend to do a NG+ with, so it's not parting forever (and hey, that's kind of a theme of the story as well so yay). P4 will always be a case of fantastic music, good moments, a clever switcheroo for the true main villain, a wonderful nod to DiU but yeah at it's core there's those over the top trope as fuck issues that do bother me a fair bit. Same with 3, I feel things for the cast most definitely, but not in the ways I do for the PTs. Suppose that's one way to get me to grumble about the newer games. Not saying that 2's cast was perfect but I love them dearly, then 3 and 4's had bad habits of feeling more trope than actual people (though the shadow aspect of 4 I will always love but hey, Jung fan here as is known X3). They're not terrible games by any means, I just share the same issues that the others have brought up. 5 isn't a perfect game but of the modern persona titles? Easily the best. I've always been a bit more in love with the mainline series personally so take that for what it's worth. 2 and 5 make me much more warm to Persona though.
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Hospital-chan Banned for Spam I have made 3,416 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 1,627 likes My gender is Male BSN Posts 22,972	Megami Tensei: Discussion Thread Jun 24, 2018 15:08:42 GMT -6 Puzzlewell likes this Post by Hospital-chan on Jun 24, 2018 15:08:42 GMT -6 Jun 24, 2018 15:00:56 GMT -6 Puzzlewell said: ^ House nailed right there one of the biggest reasons P5's cast is easily my favorite alongside 2. The sheer amount I can relate to them so deeply and how human they all feel. Futaba's arc specifically hits my heart in many ways that I honestly wasn't expecting, so by the time I finished it, emotions were everywhere. It's a cast I had a hard time saying goodbye to when the credits were rolling but it's one of the few of the series that I do intend to do a NG+ with, so it's not parting forever (and hey, that's kind of a theme of the story as well so yay). P4 will always be a case of fantastic music, good moments, a clever switcheroo for the true main villain, a wonderful nod to DiU but yeah at it's core there's those over the top trope as fuck issues that do bother me a fair bit. Same with 3, I feel things for the cast most definitely, but not in the ways I do for the PTs. Suppose that's one way to get me to grumble about the newer games. Not saying that 2's cast was perfect but I love them dearly, then 3 and 4's had bad habits of feeling more trope than actual people (though the shadow aspect of 4 I will always love but hey, Jung fan here as is known X3). They're not terrible games by any means, I just share the same issues that the others have brought up. 5 isn't a perfect game but of the modern persona titles? Easily the best. I've always been a bit more in love with the mainline series personally so take that for what it's worth. 2 and 5 make me much more warm to Persona though. Speaking of mainline, Maria is so cute in SJ Redux, based Kaneko design,
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Deleted I have made 0 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined January 1970	Megami Tensei: Discussion Thread Jun 24, 2018 15:11:36 GMT -6 Hospital-chan and Puzzlewell like this Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 15:11:36 GMT -6 And when it comes down to it. When I do say 'I prefer this in 4 over that in 5' It can't be anything other than my feelings saying that, feelings that can't be justified in any critical way because even I will say 'P5 did it this way, but it worked because that's what it wanted to do'. lol P5 is so good that I can't really make a solid case against it. Which is fine, because I don't want to. There is no/few narrative functions/writing elements in 4 that far surpasses 5 and especially not in the PT as a core group, but I think those feelings I have are still valid. Since all those feelings are is what I personally enjoy in characters. And a big thing with me is humour. And surface level elements are completely fine when taking characters into account. God knows that Hamlet is a far better written character than Richard III but I can't help but adore him. Why? Because he's hilarious. And a big thing in Thor's characterisation with the Marvel movies was actually humour, that level of humanity that wasn't quite there before. Another example. Everybody knows I don't like Ryuji, but not because he's an asshole/poorly written but because he's bitter and consistently so. Are there good reasons? Absolutely. Is he well-rounded, well-written, well-done? Yep. But I still can't stand the guy. Like House notes November 20th, and that's when the PT gang display a level of competence as yet unseen in a Persona game. That doesn't matter as much to me, impressive as it is. But I do know House LIKES competent characters and when things happen so it makes sense it made his knob explode. So in that sense. PT and me didn't click as much for very superficial reasons but not, I feel, awful/heathen ones. And yes, I am aware that I also dislike Puck and Isodoro in Berserk for being the 'comic relief', but that's a whole different story and I don't I need to defend my position further.
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Hospital-chan Banned for Spam I have made 3,416 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 1,627 likes My gender is Male BSN Posts 22,972	Megami Tensei: Discussion Thread Jun 24, 2018 15:19:47 GMT -6 Post by Hospital-chan on Jun 24, 2018 15:19:47 GMT -6 Jun 24, 2018 15:11:36 GMT -6 @simfam said: And when it comes down to it. When I do say 'I prefer this in 4 over that in 5' It can't be anything other than my feelings saying that, feelings that can't be justified in any critical way because even I will say 'P5 did it this way, but it worked because that's what it wanted to do'. lol P5 is so good that I can't really make a solid case against it. Which is fine, because I don't want to. There is no/few narrative functions/writing elements in 4 that far surpasses 5 and especially not in the PT as a core group, but I think those feelings I have are still valid. Since all those feelings are is what I personally enjoy in characters. And a big thing with me is humour. And surface level elements are completely fine when taking characters into account. God knows that Hamlet is a far better written character than Richard III but I can't help but adore him. Why? Because he's hilarious. And a big thing in Thor's characterisation with the Marvel movies was actually humour, that level of humanity that wasn't quite there before. Another example. Everybody knows I don't like Ryuji, but not because he's an asshole/poorly written but because he's bitter and consistently so. Are there good reasons? Absolutely. Is he well-rounded, well-written, well-done? Yep. But I still can't stand the guy. Like House notes November 20th, and that's when the PT gang display a level of competence as yet unseen in a Persona game. That doesn't matter as much to me, impressive as it is. But I do know House LIKES competent characters and when things happen so it makes sense it made his knob explode. So in that sense. PT and me didn't click as much for very superficial reasons but not, I feel, awful/heathen ones. And yes, I am aware that I also dislike Puck and Isodoro in Berserk for being the 'comic relief', but that's a whole different story and I don't I need to defend my position further. I wonder if people defend Puck and Isodorn?
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Deleted I have made 0 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined January 1970	Megami Tensei: Discussion Thread Jun 24, 2018 15:20:54 GMT -6 Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 15:20:54 GMT -6 Jun 24, 2018 15:19:47 GMT -6 Hospital-chan said: Jun 24, 2018 15:11:36 GMT -6 @simfam said: And when it comes down to it. When I do say 'I prefer this in 4 over that in 5' It can't be anything other than my feelings saying that, feelings that can't be justified in any critical way because even I will say 'P5 did it this way, but it worked because that's what it wanted to do'. lol P5 is so good that I can't really make a solid case against it. Which is fine, because I don't want to. There is no/few narrative functions/writing elements in 4 that far surpasses 5 and especially not in the PT as a core group, but I think those feelings I have are still valid. Since all those feelings are is what I personally enjoy in characters. And a big thing with me is humour. And surface level elements are completely fine when taking characters into account. God knows that Hamlet is a far better written character than Richard III but I can't help but adore him. Why? Because he's hilarious. And a big thing in Thor's characterisation with the Marvel movies was actually humour, that level of humanity that wasn't quite there before. Another example. Everybody knows I don't like Ryuji, but not because he's an asshole/poorly written but because he's bitter and consistently so. Are there good reasons? Absolutely. Is he well-rounded, well-written, well-done? Yep. But I still can't stand the guy. Like House notes November 20th, and that's when the PT gang display a level of competence as yet unseen in a Persona game. That doesn't matter as much to me, impressive as it is. But I do know House LIKES competent characters and when things happen so it makes sense it made his knob explode. So in that sense. PT and me didn't click as much for very superficial reasons but not, I feel, awful/heathen ones. And yes, I am aware that I also dislike Puck and Isodoro in Berserk for being the 'comic relief', but that's a whole different story and I don't I need to defend my position further. People defend Puck and Isodorn? Pretty sure there's a sub-section in /r berserk that does.
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Puzzlewell Banned for Spam Wolf Prince Sparkling Justice I have made 1,140 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 1,885 likes My gender is Female BSN Posts 1753	Megami Tensei: Discussion Thread Jun 24, 2018 16:44:30 GMT -6 General Slotts likes this Post by Puzzlewell on Jun 24, 2018 16:44:30 GMT -6 I have a.... complicated relationship with Puck? He has his wonderful moments as comic relief that do make me smile, and when Miura remembers to lay off it a bit and remember that he has had better moments to shine when he acts far less derp, he's a wonderful character. But I suppose that ties back to what we're saying here in general, that leaning too hard on this one character 'thing' can be a bit exhausting. Comic relief can be a breath of fresh air as we know but ehhhhhh, time and place is also important. But Isodoro? Yeah you'll be hard-pressed to see me defending him. >.>
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Rah Banned for Spam "He who saves one life saves the world entire" I have made 1,946 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2016 I've received 2,045 likes My gender is Male	Megami Tensei: Discussion Thread Jun 24, 2018 17:50:52 GMT -6 Post by Rah on Jun 24, 2018 17:50:52 GMT -6 Jun 24, 2018 14:06:50 GMT -6 CitizenChris92 said: Make no mistake, Persona 3 and 4, are still incredibly intriguing, with intringuing themes, and very human qualities to their respective characters and tone. I didn't write that colossosal blog on Destructoid on P3 for nothing. But now that Persona 5 exists, I feel they are dwarved by said game in comparison. Each game had their strengths in allowing the player to bond with the characters. Persona 3 had dormitory, which meant that you'd spend every living moment with your friends, because they all live under the same roof, so things get more personal that way. In Persona 4 it's the familiarity, and the celebrations of those high school years that come and go quickly, life moves on and we have to accept that there are people who will come into our lives, and ultimately leave them again. In Persona 5, it feels a bit more grounded with regards to the world we live in today (obviously ofc given the tech that is presented in the game). But also in how the characters interact, there's the familiarity of Persona 4, and the seriousness of Persona 3. It's a game that has taken everything the previous games have learned and perfected it. Persona 5's theme of rebellion and freedom is grounded in how we are always so nervous about the future (sort of like Catherine) and the expectations that are lain upon us. How are we supposed to behave, and what we are supposed to do, it feels like we aren't really free to choose how to live. I can relate to a lot of those things in the game, feeling like your life isn't going where you wanted it, or it isn't going anywhere at all. So you break those boundaries and choose instead to live how you want, it might seem simple on the surface, but Persona has its own share of subtlety in how it chooses to deliver its message. Personally, I wasn't beaten up by Persona 4's conclusion as much as I was with Persona 3. And I wasn't with 5 either because it didn't feel like the game wanted me to feel that way. It was a much more positive feeling of hope for the future instead of the bittersweet stuff of Persona 4 and the downer ending of Persona 3. So very much this was my feeling aswell. No "oh this is a bummer" a la P4 or "damn this is not nice" of P3. Instead P5 delivered on a "see you soon" instead of a farewell which to me speak highly on of the friendship the characters have among themself. They dont need to wear it on their sleves or shout it from the rooftops as previous characters felt like they had (Yes Yosuke Hanamura I know you're my partner now shutup) Instead it's more nuanced and subtle and I'm left with the feeling that if any one of them was in trouble that ALL of them would without hesitation, without a second wasted in doubt be on the case. Hell you can tell they will visit each other as often and as soon as possible. Ryuji even explicitly says so! They are friends sharing a strong bond with each other
"In times of lies, only the jesters are telling the truth." "Miracles aren't free you know. If you wish for something good to happen a whole lot of bad stuff is gonna happen too. I guess that's how the world stays in balance, good bad, everything zeros out." “Life is a tale. Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing." Edited by Rah [Jun 24, 2018 17:52:33 GMT -6] Reply Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top

Hospital-chan Banned for Spam I have made 3,416 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 1,627 likes My gender is Male BSN Posts 22,972	Megami Tensei: Discussion Thread Jun 24, 2018 17:53:17 GMT -6 Post by Hospital-chan on Jun 24, 2018 17:53:17 GMT -6 Another thing PT had going for them is two times they operate without Joker and they don't falter. They don't need Joker there to hold their hand like SEES and IT did with Minato and Yu which to me shows better independence and group synergy as a whole. Sim knows I love good group synergy, it's why those certain chapters in WCI blew my knob.
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General Slotts Pillar of the Community This is a job... for Vesemir! I have made 501 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 309 likes My gender is Male	Megami Tensei: Discussion Thread Jun 25, 2018 14:49:57 GMT -6 Puzzlewell likes this Post by General Slotts on Jun 25, 2018 14:49:57 GMT -6 Jun 24, 2018 16:44:30 GMT -6 Puzzlewell said: I have a.... complicated relationship with Puck? He has his wonderful moments as comic relief that do make me smile, and when Miura remembers to lay off it a bit and remember that he has had better moments to shine when he acts far less derp, he's a wonderful character. But I suppose that ties back to what we're saying here in general, that leaning too hard on this one character 'thing' can be a bit exhausting. Comic relief can be a breath of fresh air as we know but ehhhhhh, time and place is also important. But Isodoro? Yeah you'll be hard-pressed to see me defending him. >.> Yeah, Puck has cracked me up quite a few times. I think about Volume 28 is were I'm at now, and I do miss the Puck from some of the earlier volumes that was more of an actually character and not just the comic relief guy. SPOILER: Click to show
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Deleted I have made 0 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined January 1970	Megami Tensei: Discussion Thread Jun 25, 2018 16:37:56 GMT -6 Puzzlewell likes this Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 16:37:56 GMT -6 P.S Talking about Puck recently. Pre-whenever Puck was great.
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Hospital-chan Banned for Spam I have made 3,416 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 1,627 likes My gender is Male BSN Posts 22,972	Megami Tensei: Discussion Thread Jun 25, 2018 20:41:49 GMT -6 Post by Hospital-chan on Jun 25, 2018 20:41:49 GMT -6 A-1 needs to die.
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ObserverStatus Banned for Spam Pathlessness, everywhere you look. Where is this all supposed to lead? I have made 3,181 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 3,229 likes My gender is Male BSN Posts 18994	Megami Tensei: Discussion Thread Jun 26, 2018 8:36:14 GMT -6 via mobile Post by ObserverStatus on Jun 26, 2018 8:36:14 GMT -6 Jun 25, 2018 20:41:49 GMT -6 Hospital-chan said: A-1 needs to die. Not your headcanon ship?
Indeed, cannibalism of the dead is a cherished custom in Scotland. When a Scottish boy's coming of age is celebrated (a ceremony known as the Scot Mitzvah) he is forced to consume his own great-grandfather, bones and all, in just 24 hours, or else the local Shaman will hit him on the head with a magical stick that stops him from ever becoming an adult. Reply Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top

Hospital-chan Banned for Spam I have made 3,416 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 1,627 likes My gender is Male BSN Posts 22,972	Megami Tensei: Discussion Thread Jun 26, 2018 17:03:26 GMT -6 ObserverStatus likes this Post by Hospital-chan on Jun 26, 2018 17:03:26 GMT -6 Look at the bottom of Joker. That's not even a error, that's just plain lazy and unprofessional.
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Rah Banned for Spam "He who saves one life saves the world entire" I have made 1,946 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2016 I've received 2,045 likes My gender is Male	Megami Tensei: Discussion Thread Jun 26, 2018 17:11:57 GMT -6 Post by Rah on Jun 26, 2018 17:11:57 GMT -6 Taking the whole rebelling against laws a bit too far there Joker
"In times of lies, only the jesters are telling the truth." "Miracles aren't free you know. If you wish for something good to happen a whole lot of bad stuff is gonna happen too. I guess that's how the world stays in balance, good bad, everything zeros out." “Life is a tale. Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing." Reply Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top

ObserverStatus Banned for Spam Pathlessness, everywhere you look. Where is this all supposed to lead? I have made 3,181 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 3,229 likes My gender is Male BSN Posts 18994	Megami Tensei: Discussion Thread Jun 26, 2018 18:40:33 GMT -6 Post by ObserverStatus on Jun 26, 2018 18:40:33 GMT -6 That's unfortunate.
Indeed, cannibalism of the dead is a cherished custom in Scotland. When a Scottish boy's coming of age is celebrated (a ceremony known as the Scot Mitzvah) he is forced to consume his own great-grandfather, bones and all, in just 24 hours, or else the local Shaman will hit him on the head with a magical stick that stops him from ever becoming an adult. Reply Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top

Hospital-chan Banned for Spam I have made 3,416 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined August 2015 I've received 1,627 likes My gender is Male BSN Posts 22,972	Megami Tensei: Discussion Thread Jun 26, 2018 18:47:51 GMT -6 Post by Hospital-chan on Jun 26, 2018 18:47:51 GMT -6 Jun 26, 2018 17:11:57 GMT -6 Rah said: Taking the whole rebelling against laws a bit too far there Joker He's not feeling too good.
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Deleted I have made 0 posts Right now I'm Offline I joined January 1970	Megami Tensei: Discussion Thread Jun 27, 2018 3:49:18 GMT -6 Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 3:49:18 GMT -6 I would be angrier at animation quality if I didn't know just how terrible conditions are at various production studios. Like, sure, you have Bones and Madhouse that seem to produce amazing stuff all the time. But it might not be the same for the poor slaves at A1.
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