Tolerance hasn't worked and Islam needs to be criticized? How will that help, do you think that would be terrorists are going to read disparaging reviews of the Koran on Amazon, and suddenly think that it's a bad idea to kill people?

There's not much in Islam that isn't different from Christianity. Both religions are pretty great and sucky at the same time. The problem is education, which majority Muslim countires can't access cos most of them are poor as shit and culture has remained stagnant because of it. Christianity has already had its dumb revolution with its fair share of blood shed in the process. In comparison, Islam is pretty young compared to Christianity and is currenly going through this in the historical sense but obviously the time it's occuring in leaves it wide open for everyone to see, plus Western involvement doesn't help.

But to go into criticism and tolerance.

First off, homosexuals are prosecuted like that in Christian Africa, again, poor as shit countries have a hard time educating their people. But then again, Russia does the same thing. Now, criticism of Islam to you would mean an open conversation about it, which, as Bo suggested, leads us to the same conclusions a critique on Christianity would bring. Not that it's pointless, but in combating Radical Islam -  a real problem - an open conversation about it would cause the same aggravation an open conversation about Christianity would, therefore leading to further alienation to a entire ethnicity of people who feel alienated by the actions of people who kill in the name of their God.

Still, let's say PJW's attack on the tolerant methodology is curbing our efforts to Radical Islam is true, allowing its ideology to spread. So the same guy who preaches hate for Islam seeks for open conversation with people who hold uncomfortable views on race, eugenics, and hint at cultural genocide to create a pure and white country? "So much for the tolerant left!" He scoffs as he soaks his Quran in oil to burn in some freak ritual. His hypocrisy and my sort of hyperbole aside, it's true that people are afraid to speak about Islam for fear of being categorised into the Milo group, but I'm sure a lot of Muslims are afraid to speak up for their religion to be categorised into the 'crazy Raghead' group as well because obviously if you stand for a 'hateful religion' you too are ready to blow yourself up for 83 donkeys and a coconut. And god have I heard enough 'any one of them could be brainwashed' to know this.

Now wouldn't this whole thing go on a lot better if PJW's 'truth', aka, his 'critique' of Islam didn't involve slandering it? Making it sound weird and Other, cherry picking quotes to make it sound as evil as he wants it to be? His critique, and to date, any critique or conversation about Radical Islam hasn't make progress because his and his peers' idioctic vitrolic sperm bank of hate speech have made the conversation into what it is.

Like shit, that woman in the report saying she saw some suspicious woman and reported to security? These people never even checked the bags, nothing was mentioned about tolerance, these security people were incompetent from the start. And I know because you need to be searched like you were boarding a plane to get into any club in London, let alone an Arianne Grande concert in Manchester. This was negligence on their part, but of course he uses this asinine example to propogate his views as actual supporting evidence of the danger of tolerance.

God knows how many Muslim girls there were in that concert, let alone one who was smirking in the general direction of the fucking explosion. Could have been looking at a guy for all they know.

I don't know how many times people need to disprove this guy before people realise just how much shit he actually does behind his dumb world map of his.

They are brainwashing second gen immigrants though - living in England and the like. Young people who have been born and raised in England. If they had been raised in countries the US has bombed to shit, I could understand it. But this is a new kind of thing. Terrorists being produced out of english citizens. Something is really failing in society and the local communities when this is happening. Ignoring it won't make it go away.

And that's just it.

Simple truth really, you will never ever get Muslims saying bad shit about their faith because to them, the bad parts are not their faith. So they don't count.

So what Rawgrim is asking is insane.

To hold them to account for nutcases that don't share the same faith is just stupid as fuck.

Muslims are not going to view this attack as Islamic, they are going to view it as monsters doing horrible things.

And this goes for Christians too.

Any religion.

"There are verses in the Koran that supports terrorism. Attack those verses. Debunk them or whatever."

How does this help exactly?

Muslims don't view anything in there that supports terrorism.


And look harder. They tend to say ISIS are not Muslims. Plus WBC=ISIS?

Didn't know Kansas was taken over by the WBC.

My heart goes out to all they kill there, the LGBT people, other normal sane good Christians and Vroom.

RIP

They do that already. So clearly it's not doing much for these types of people. And Muslims still don't view ISIS as Muslims. You can say they can't do that. But welp they will anyway. Just as Christians won't view a crazy Christian killer as Christian.


And it was an awful example.

But that isn't anything new. A young troubled person doing something horiffic? Sure it's scary that it's through terrorist organisations, but these types are in the plenty. Not that excuses their actions, but it hardly makes for a case against Islam.

I've mentioned how he lies and manipulates information. ii.e, 1/4 Muslims think ISIS should run America = out of a survey of 2000. Basic shit like that. As for that video, you need to watch it again, the argument was that mix gender sports shouldn't happen because men are physically stronger than women, it wasn't about proving a biological fact, it was about making that biological fact as a foundation for sexism. How is it sexism? Because ths fact has made mix gendered sports impossible. Let 'girls be girls'.

But that's not the matter here.

As for a religion, well Islam is open for criticism whenever you want to. Will you suffer from stigma depending on what you say? Sure, but if you're going to repeat PJW's stuff - which you aren't atm btw - it's going to be recieved with said stigma. This happens with sensitive topics, and hell, Christianity is a sensitive topic in itself so imagine talking about a religion that has become radicalised by a bunch of assholes and because of that, has had major consequences with everyone involved? Talking about it is going to stir controversy, and it's up to the individual to talk about it sensibly. There's no point in getting worked up about discussing the theology of a religion that has been under attack by the likes of Krauts and Tea/PJW/Milo in hopes to fix its errors. That's not going to happen with a religion, the belief is too fundemental.


Basically.
 

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/indonesian-muslims-counter-isis_us_565c737ae4b072e9d1c26bda

Maybe it's the anti-Islamic narrative the media propogates that's doing more harm than good here.

Good going by Indonesia. Ties into the sunni vs shia muslims, I suspect. Lots of hatred there.



They should stop doing this down there though.